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1st September 2009, 02:51 PM #151
By the way ... I totally agree that the stem could be held with some epoxy goo up the back rather than that fiddly wooden stem.
But looking at a nice wood face up there is much nicer. The boat is so simplified elswhere (but all done woodenly) that I thought (hoped) people would forgive me for one fiddly bit.
I also hope when you finish it you look at that stem and think ... "much nicer than bog"
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MIK
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1st September 2009, 03:07 PM #152
I hadn't even considered the looks aspect (which I another reason I don't design boats). Actually, it went rather well once I'd worked out how to do it ... which was a major part of my problem.
Currently sanding everything back. The big flat areas are easy to do, it's the frames and stuff that need hand sanding where it gets a little tiresome.
It's amazing the difference hooking suction up to your sander makes. In my case, it's simply an old old vaccuum cleaner sucking through a Triton Dust bucket, but it still keeps the sandpaper clean and makes the whole job a lot more enjoyable. The afternoon will not be enjoyable at all because it's all hand sanding
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MIK
Richard
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3rd September 2009, 03:18 AM #153
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3rd September 2009, 03:55 AM #154
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3rd September 2009, 05:05 PM #155
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3rd September 2009, 09:31 PM #156
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4th September 2009, 12:27 PM #157
Howdy Rob,
I hope you get down to the docks and take lots of pics of trad and semi trad boats for us!!!!
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4th September 2009, 02:47 PM #158
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4th September 2009, 02:51 PM #159
I was just going to paint the inside of the hull, now the designer's telling me I have to bright finish a tiny piece of insignificant wood
I'll be whacking a dirty great big D bolt in the front so how it's finished might depend on how big a mess I make of that.
The original plans were for a fully painted boat but if I can get some good timber for the gunwales and inwales, I might do some brightwork, in which case that strip will not be painted ... maybe.
Richard
avoiding sanding by doing housework
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5th September 2009, 11:00 AM #160
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5th September 2009, 12:12 PM #161
I just headed out to the shed to find that that sanding fairies STILL haven't finished the sanding
At this rate, I'm going to have to do it myself
Richard
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5th September 2009, 06:43 PM #162
Well, I made a right old cock of that
Cutting the notches in the corner of the bulkheads. Man am I glad that epoxy fills gaps and that the bulkheads are held in place by those fat frames - this was not furniture quality jointing, hell, it's rough even by my standards. Ah well, it's been done and goop will ensure that no-one ever knows.
Mik, looking at the size of these notches - they're 20mm wide and effectively sit 19mm above the bottom corner of the bulkhead. The side frames are 19mm wide while the bottom frames are usually a little wider (where glued to the bulkhead) - I did note in cutting all the notches that the little overhang on the bottom frames did not survive.
Would it be easier to cut the required notch in the bulkheads when first cutting them out, then butt the frames up to these notches. Fussy types might want to allow some overlap so they can bevel them to fit but even if you left them square, you'd wind up with smaller or similar gaps to what I've managed to achieve today - the beauty of doing it this way is that you effectively remove a step.
I also made the spreaders and got together a collection of screws with ply pads under their heads.
Now I need to look at gunwales. I could dry fit the hull together now though Mik talks about clamping the gunwales in place while gluing the whole mess together, so it looks like I need to go looking for gunwale timber.
Richard
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6th September 2009, 10:30 AM #163
Hey Richard,
We were talking about me coming over to do the dry fit with you. This week looks very tricky (leaving for the USA on thurs - so be ready for a communications gap) - but maybe you can get a willing accomplice or two from here?
The nice thing for me would have been to get some pics. Ply pads on the screws are essential at the stem because the loads are quite high at the bottom corner.
MIK
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6th September 2009, 08:01 PM #164Member
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Hi Richard and MIK
I used steel washers under my screws to spread the load when glueing my chinelogs and frames. $5 per hundred and no cutting out, drilling or taping. Panel washers have a larger area for the same size hole. A couple stuck, a quick tap with hammer and screwdriver (not chisel) saw stuck washers fly off into corners of shed, never to be seen again.
For the laod at the bow, I am planning to screw the wedge shaped pieces cut off the front end of the chinelogs (if I can find them) to the outside so I can get a clamp to hang on square if you can picture what I mean. Similar for the top. This has workd for me previously but can make for an ugly lot of wedges clamps and screws(or nails)
I saw the photos of the Duckflat MSD (too pretty to use) and notice they used ratchet ties to tension around the stern. I will copy that idea.
Richard I really appreciate your posting here, it is helping me a lot.
Tom
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6th September 2009, 08:15 PM #165
Ahh, different techniques for the same job, doncha love it
For screws, I hack up some scrap ply into bits about an inch square and use them under the head of the screw. The beauty of ply is that if it sticks to the boat, it chips off really easily with a chisel, though this isn't needed very often ... it's also free I also like the larger contact area (ie, spreads the load). The head of the screw will pull into the ply but seeing these things are disposable, it's not a real problem that you only get to use them a few times. You can get really finicky and put tape on the underside of the pad but I tend not to bother. Nor do I worry too much about shape - I just fire up the scroll saw, grab a bit of scrap and start hacking so they really aren't a problem to make.
The downside is that you do NOT want them to spin when the screw pulls home - this can lead to horrid gouge marks in the ply ... maybe I should take a close up of these on the Little Black Dog though this typically isn't a problem, which is why I got caught this time.
Richard
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