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    Black Adder makes it even more enjoyable to watch Hugh Laurie in "House" ... I always think of his Prince!

    "Rubber Bottoms!"

    It does show how the most antiseptic drama can be brought to life by a comedian!

    MIK

    He meant "Rotten Boroughs"

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    Managed a bit more time in the shed - last chance for the week probably

    Anyways, I dug out some sticks of oregon left over from "the expensive disaster that was Redback's inwales until I decided to ignore the designer and do it properly". Ran them through the thicknesser, then matched bits to bulkheads. The plan was to cut and glue the bottom frames onto the bulkheads, which I achieved as can be seen in this photo.



    I had originally planned to precoat the bulkheads and glue all the frames on with the last coat but decided not to for two reasons. Firstly, I just don't have the time to manage that sort effort - this is becomming a bits and pieces job and so it makes more sense to do it in bits and pieces. Secondly, even if I had precoated the ply, I'd still have had to go back to coat the frames so I'm really losing nothing in coating everything after all the cleats are glued in place.

    Next job will be the side frames and some funny wing things the boss man has drawn on the plans - I'm going to have to scrounge a bit for timber for them. Most of the planking I've got lying around is too thin (or will be by the time I've planed off the crappy old surfaces).

    One could argue that I'd have been better off doing the side and bottom frames for each bulkhead in one hit and there's merit in that thought. However, much of build planning is dependent on the specific circumstances at the time - in this case, lack of time and not having nice long bits of timber to cut all the frames from influenced the procedure. Besides, I felt like making bottom frames today

    I mentioned above that I'd left the bulkheads rough cut ie, I hadn't planed them back to the line. On the bulkhead bottoms, three have cleats that line up with the edge of the ply so these were planed to the line which made fitting the cleat very easy. Another has a 1mm overhang so I planed to 1mm clear of the line and lined the cleat up with the edge of the line. It's the side frames with their large overhangs where I'll be getting cunning ... or stuffing up and reaching for the plane anyway.

    Richard

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    Daddles, thanks for continuing this thread and including the pics. I've hesitated for two years to start on my first build, and although a different boat (by Mik) I'm learning and gaining some confidence.

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    Time constraints forced me to choose the same strategy while building my Goat. I ended up applying the epoxy seal coats after assembly of the major components. It takes a serious commitment of a large block of time to use the pre-coat hot-on-hot method described in the instructions.

    BTW--yes, I'm following your build, Daddles, even though I mostly lurk these days. Keep up the good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleAgesMan View Post
    Time constraints forced me to choose the same strategy while building my Goat. I ended up applying the epoxy seal coats after assembly of the major components. It takes a serious commitment of a large block of time to use the pre-coat hot-on-hot method described in the instructions.
    The stupid part is, come high summer, the poxy behaves like super glue and you're short of time and would have the whole exercise done by smoko. In this weather, I could see myself working into the night after starting at dawn to do three wet on wet coats, let alone sticking wee twigs to the damned thing as well. The business of having to work in one hour blocks seperated by days doesn't help much either ... which is where it'd be nice to be retired (and rich).

    BTW--yes, I'm following your build, Daddles, even though I mostly lurk these days. Keep up the good work.
    Thanks. And the others who've replied. It does help to feel a little less alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleAgesMan View Post
    BTW--yes, I'm following your build, Daddles, even though I mostly lurk these days. Keep up the good work.
    Yes many lurkers here............ says he who has not picked up a tool in anger for months.

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    Right. Got home from work and headed out to the shed for a quick burst during period around dusk where the temperature drops from bitterly cold to bloody freezing

    The plan was to unclamp yesterday's work and clean up the excess epoxy. Some always oozes out of joints and there are always places you couldn't get to when the muck was wet such as underneath clamps. I like to get at this stuff the next day while it's still green and a little soft. A sharp chisel makes short work of cleaning up stuff that'll be rock solid and tenacious in another 24 hours.

    So that's what I did. There was enough ooze to make me feel as though I did a decent job but not so much it caused trouble or concern and, more to the point, no bits seemed to have moved out of place while the glue was setting ... which is always nice to see.

    Next job? Buy a cholestoral laden junk food dinner (no kids tonight so I refuse to cook) and settle down in front of telebox with some intoxicating beverage before falling into bed at a stupidly early hour because I have to be up before dawn tomorrow for another day's work

    Richard

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    Sounds like the perfect evening. Pity you have to ruin it with the telebox.

    "during period around dusk where the temperature drops from bitterly cold to bloody
    freezing" .. forgot you live up where the air is much thinner than down here .
    How do you go for getting your oxy cylinders refilled ?

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    I've had a few short sessions lately - just sorting through timber and making up frames for the bulkheads. Nothing glued on since the last photos. Spent most of yesterday's session helping my daughter make a rocking cradle for a toy dog It's too cold to enjoy working in the shed today so I'm woosing out.

    Man, that's solid framing Mik - did you design it for my mishandling or did you choose sticks thick enough to hold a screw?

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    I don't know what it is about that period before Christmas when the temperature and the humidity are at their highest, that makes me want to build boats, but if you haven't finished by Christmas Daddles old mate, we might have a race on!

    That would be fitting actually, given the history of the boat!

    cheers, (and good to see it all underway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitingmidge View Post
    I don't know what it is about that period before Christmas when the temperature and the humidity are at their highest, that makes me want to build boats, but if you haven't finished by Christmas Daddles old mate, we might have a race on!

    That would be fitting actually, given the history of the boat!

    cheers, (and good to see it all underway)

    P
    Considering your head start, what point do I need to get to before you're allowed to do anything?

    I had intended to get this done quickly but it's pretty clear that I'm just wandering out to the shed at random and just pottering around. No rush build this ... which I'll regret come summer when I'll start seeing opportunities to use her. Mind you, my job's about to fall through so maybe I'll have lots of free time again.

    How's the wing Peter? All fixed up? Any long term problems?

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    Both shoulders are usable, but I don't think I'll spend a lot of time rowing!

    Repetitive work in small doses is ok though, and working overhead is the cause of regret, but taking things slowly and sitting down a lot suits my temperament rather well.

    I can hold my camera again so that's just dandy!

    cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitingmidge View Post
    Both shoulders are usable, but I don't think I'll spend a lot of time rowing!

    Repetitive work in small doses is ok though, and working overhead is the cause of regret, but taking things slowly and sitting down a lot suits my temperament rather well.

    I can hold my camera again so that's just dandy!

    cheers,

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    At least you're improving. Look after yourself mate.
    Seeing Mik loves these sailing canoe things, how about fitting a mast and leeboard to the rowboat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddles View Post
    I've had a few short sessions lately - just sorting through timber and making up frames for the bulkheads. Nothing glued on since the last photos. Spent most of yesterday's session helping my daughter make a rocking cradle for a toy dog It's too cold to enjoy working in the shed today so I'm woosing out.

    Man, that's solid framing Mik - did you design it for my mishandling or did you choose sticks thick enough to hold a screw?

    Richard
    Howdy Richard,

    The bonding area of a cleat (ie piece of timber that holds two pieces of ply together in a corner) has to be three times the smaller of the ply thicknesses in the join.

    So your ply is 6mm and 3 x 6mm = 18mm

    So the stock size of 19mm is the closest.

    You can round a whole lot off the exposed corner through. You can give the router or a laminate trimmer a little run. If doing it to the chine logs too remember that it looks neatest if where they intersect with the bulkheads if they are left square for those sections (where they will pass through the cutout in the bulkhead, which is a square cutout of course!)

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    Mast and leeboard?

    Um did give it some though, but the problem is the flare of the sides.

    It is a HUGE amount of flare and would make hanging a leeboard a very tricky job.

    I did play with blowing up the width of the rowboat to make a sailboat.

    With a centreboard and a conventional rig I think it would be a bit faster than the Goat because of a narrower waterline and a trickier boat to sail too.

    Appeals to me! But it wouldn't be marketable enough. I think only racing guys would be interested in a quick but less user friendly boat.

    MIK

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