Thread: PD Goose - almost 12ft - sailing report photos and videos

That would be Puddle-Goose Racer (PGR) rather than Puddle-Duck Goose, surely ?
(These species crosses often end in tears... )

cheers
AJ

That would be about perfect for a camp/hunting boat. Hull weight about 90# or so outta gaboon? What is the safe load in it, bet it is considerable for a 12 footer.

I agree with Mr. b.o.a.t, PGR is a smoother sounding name

Eeewwww I don't know AJ, with some personal protection and keeping it casual, who knows . . .

But comes from the PD line! So marketing I think it works better.

Also the PD rules say that the first person to build the variation gets the naming rights. Bob Alston decided almost two years ago!

MIK

A nice natural progression...

So, how many supplemental plans have been sold to aspiring Texas 200 participants (or even to Duck skippers fresh from this year's Texas 200)? (Rhetorical questions - but the Goose seems like an answer to some of the perceived limitations of the PDR).

Bob

Don't the origins of the Moths lie is this sort of lunacy?

Who's going to have the first PD with a trapeze and foils?

Richard

and I agree with B.O.A.T. it's Puddle-Goose

That is it exactly BobWes.

Or one of the options. When I get round to a swinging centreboard version that will solve everyone's problems for the Texas200.

MIK

Hi Mik,
I like the new design "PDGoose" ( basically a "stretch" PDRacer ), but I was under the impression that 2 adults could already sit side by side in a PDRacer, aft of the centrecase, or would this cause the stern to sit too low in the water ?.

Hi David,

Yes it puts the stern too far down in the water. The OZ works best with one person in the front of the centrecase but as far back as possible and the other person behind the centrecase further back than normal to prevent the nose from digging.

Speed is quite good. It would also be possible for both to sit on the side decks - at which point they could move to be side by side, but they should not lean out really hard to keep the boat flat or the mast might break.

No problems if kids do it though!

MIK

Courtesy of Jim Post we now have a bunch of photos of the PDGoose. He is building his in the USA.

What a nice fellow - he posted me some letter sized printouts of his photos by mail.



Nice name - I am dying to see how it goes on the water - the flatter rocker will give it true planing performance i expect, with a real transition. Unlike the PDR which jumps from plane to displacing and back again with no transition at all - like it has afterburners that are all on or all off.



Anyway ... there are a few more pics and words here including where to get the Goose plans so you can start cutting ply. Remember it is a supplement to the PDR plan so you need to buy that one as well.

All the pics are here - about a half dozen. The construction pics are of Bob Alston's original Goose a couple of years ago.

This is the pic I am happy with ... it hits the antipodean target of 8 to 10 lbs a foot nicely even built of standard exterior ply.



MIK

There are some new pics of the Goose Building up here and a lot of building pictures.

OZ Goose sailing dinghy – build and launch pics|Michael Storer Wooden Boat Plans

Also a couple of by the water shots of the fully rigged boat. I thought the rig might look a bit small or a bit far forward - but it looks fine.

Jim said the lug rig "pulls like a stallion". Sailing reports to come.

boatmik's photosets on Flickr

Best wishes
MIK

Anyway … the Goose got launched. From a designer’s point of view I was pretty confident of this boat because all the gear has been tried and tested in the OzRacer (no longer a PDRacer). But the main consideration was whether it would balance nicely.
Not too much weather or lee (eek) helm.


There is a video to come.



Generally I don't promote my plans too heavily until I know how the boat goes. Jim's report is glowing. it shows how all the bits for the original OZ PDRacers (now OzRacer) will improve the performance of any hull.


Jim Post built the goose last winter but has been to busy to get sailing – did I mention he had a toe injury too.





I expect the boat to be lot faster than the standard OzRacer or PDRacer shape because the bottom curve is much easier – stretched out – which will mean the boat doesn’t settle down into its own wave pattern quite as strongly as the 8ft version.





You can also see all the extra space compared to the diminutive PDRacer/OzRacer – and because the spars, centreboard, rudder and sail are the same you just need to build another hull if you have one of the smaller OZ boats.


From Jim Post:

Well finally, the planets aligned, the rental season is over and my toe operation has healed. Swift Boat has its second outing, this time with about 10-15 knots of wind, some gusting. the boat sailed with excellent balance, some small amount of weather helm. With two aboard, planing was easily done. My friend had a GPS and we observed 7 knots frequently. No reefing was required and the boat was quite “stiff.” Response to the helm excellent.


I have the new 2HP Honda four stroke and it moves the boat right along, very handy. forgot to put the drain plug in at launch, very embarrassing but caught early. My new sailing buddy (met at launch ramp) is a video expert, with all equipment. He will do some professional shots for us soon. He knows this is very important and it will be done soon.


Duckworks sail is a winner, all creases are out and it draws well. Also fits well. Some small rig changes are planned, running rigging mostly. Will install rope traveler just aft of dagger board, using limber holes as per Peter’s suggstion.


Summary, this is a fun boat, easily sailed and handled on and off tilting bedtrailer. It trims well fore and aft, little evidence of “pigrooting.” Great term and so descriptive!!!


Did you hear from Chuck that final weight is 153 lbs ( no gear). More than designed weight I am sorry to say. Like me!!!


Looking for next project. Either a light weight Goose or SOG !! Where are the plans? I don’t need much to build it. Are you far enough into the design to authorize a prototype construction? I would like that.


BTW — splash coaming works very well. Sheds over the bow waves right now. Would recommend it to all builders.


Jim Post.

Mik,

Great report on the Goose. Posts like that are dangerous...

Sunday evening, taking a break from purging possessions, generally getting ready to hit the retirement road in late December...

Glowing reports... Texas 200 (reread the entire thread)... Any thoughts/designs on that swinging centerboard option?

Not sure I've mentioned this but although I'll be traveling about with a camper when I retire, my sister has made their get-away refuge (Central Michigan, 10 acres, house, barn, couple of other out buildings) available to me as a home-base. As I sit here contemplating retirement, I can see building a Goose next spring for the Texas 200. Not abandoning the GIS, just thinking...

I hadn't thought about the swinging centreboard option.

For most of my designs it is not very practical. The Oz Racer and OZ PDRacer are too short and placed too far back - a swinging board almost comes out the transom.

With the Goat it would ruin that nice open back section that gets so much traffic.

Also more complex to build.

But might have some relevance to the Texas200.

But just thinking through it ... most of the PDRacers that have gone in have had either a centreboard or leeboard that operated daggerwise.

Probably because it is so simple and robust.

I would help out with drawings if someone wanted to go this way. But I'm not sure it is the best way.

MIK