Thread: Quick Canoe 155 - PJ and Cliff's one week build for Tinaroo Raid

Hi Cliff,
The end result looks fantastic - job well done up to your usual standard!!

Quick question, did you put the seat(?) height to fit your build or just as the plan suggested?

How do you think it would go with a small electric o'board strapped to the side? Would make a great fishing canoe for the dams.

Look forward to the next episode after it feels the water - only on the outside of course!!

Did I mess up the title ... sorry chaps. The current one is much better!

Originally Posted by BazzaDLB

Hi Cliff,
The end result looks fantastic - job well done up to your usual standard!!

Quick question, did you put the seat(?) height to fit your build or just as the plan suggested?

How do you think it would go with a small electric o'board strapped to the side? Would make a great fishing canoe for the dams.

Look forward to the next episode after it feels the water - only on the outside of course!!

Thank you.

We used the plans & dropped the seats by 40mm.

Ours is made of 4mm ply all round, you would need a 'transom' on the side to hold the motor.

The boat is a BIG bucket, it will fit a couple of eskys & a couple of blokes & some fishing gear.

We are thinking of adding buoyancy tanks at the pointy ends with a hatch for dry storage as well.

It is on the roof of the car & we are about to head off, I'll report in Monday night.

We won!

Launched my QC Saturday morning at the Tinaroo Raid & then won the popular vote prize on Sunday morning.

I'll have a heap more pics from the Raid to post in a new thread later, about 250 photos to sort through.

There was a very nice Goat Island Skiff there as well so I took some pictures of it too.

We have a few notes & mods to make, it also needs a couple more coats of paint & then a cut & polish.

The main note we have is that if you use 4mm ply you should install a post between the bottom of the seat & the floor to transfer the weight of the person directly to the keel.

We found that the hoop pine seat cross members bowed down to the point that the glue let go on one of them & the thin floor bowed up in the middle because most of the weight of the passengers was transferred to the sides of the boat.

The 4mm is certainly strong enough with the 2mm pads we installed & we even took it to collect fire wood & in 2 trips across the dam we bought home a whole trailer load of wood.

The load in the picture below also have 190kgs off passengers in the boat.

The boat now has the nick name 'The Ute.'

Hi Cliff, Ute it is. Of course it could be doubly appropriate. The Utes were native Americans. I don't know if they used canoes. Ute tribe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Another way of using the thin ply for the hull and having enough strength for the seat would be to put a doubler of ply on the side of the hull - maybe another 4mm and make it a patch bigger than the bracket on the side. Then say three countersunk screws from the outside into the seat support. Has anyone else had bending of the seat? MIK

We didn't have problems between the seat side supports & the hull, that was fine.
We didn't have problems with the 4mm ply on the sides at all.

The seat cross members bowed down & the floor bowed up.
The glue joint where the seat cross members sat in the seat side supports let go.
The temporary fix was to drive a screw down through the cross member into the side support.

I'll post some pics when I have made the repairs/mods.

The Ute is cool.

Good to see the QC and GIS together... hope to do that with my own two later in the year.
Well done.

Nice pics and a great name for the QC. Well done and congrats on completing a great project!

Do we know who belongs to the GIS?

Originally Posted by woodeneye

Nice pics and a great name for the QC. Well done and congrats on completing a great project!

Do we know who belongs to the GIS?

Thanks.

The Goat belongs to a bloke called Kevin.
He hasn't given it a proper name yet, they just call it The Goat.

PJ & I took it for a sail & I was supposed to get his e-mail address but he left before lunch on Monday & I missed him.

I asked around & he is a member of the Tinaroo Sailing Club & I have the e-mail & phone number of another member of that club & he is going to get his details for me that next time he sees him.

Originally Posted by Clinton1

The Ute is cool.

Good to see the QC and GIS together... hope to do that with my own two later in the year.
Well done.

Thanks, mine is going to be sky blue when it gets its next 2 coats of paint.

I hope to have a PDRacer finished to sit beside it by next year.

Hi All,

Back in Hobart tonight - left Cairns in 27deg and stepped into 9 at Hobart - it was good to be away, and good to be back home and looking forward to the next project - another of Brian Schulz's F1s.

Mik, before we go rushing off to modify any of your plans we need to check the seat frame dimensions. I think they were undersized to your specs as we were using "found" timber. Cliff, can you check this (my memory has a red wine fuzz around it). On the GIS, I was asked by the owner for any comments I might have. One thing I noticed was that the upper rudder mount was fixed to ply at the transome and was bending with any vertical pressure on the tiller. I suggested a timber reinforcement as the ply was already showing a small fracture crack - has he followed your design here Mik?

In all other respects The Ute performed well. Like all similar craft you need to realise that no speed records are going to be set and to experiment as to the best hull speed available for effort. Once that is found she moved along quite easily and nicely both into a stiff breeze and with it. She also performed well in the turns and could be edged to some effect. I'd love to try a sail rig on her, slightly on a lean with that big chine biting in - could be real good.

15.5°C outside at 8:30am, windy, flying clouds, threatening to rain again.

That timber wasn't actually 'found' 'cos it wasn't 'lost' in the first place.
It was 'pinched' from a pack that had been rough sawn for a PDRacer.

Once it was dressed it measured 18.5mm x 43mm that is fairly close to 19 x 45.

I am not blaming the framing, I am blaming the glue & the 100Kgs bum that sat on it.

The 4mm floor & the choice of the shallower keel option (& the 100Kg bum) are the main reasons for the upward bow in the floor.
A spacer/post between the seat frame & the middle of the floor will help everything other than the 100Kg bum.