Thread: Sailing rig for a plywood Quick Canoe?

Hi Clinton,

Do you mean a heart attack because you have to paddle too hard? Or you need to cover the 5km more quickly.

There are two options.
One is the drop in sailing rig like Paul is using on the other thread. It is designed for basic sailing performance and is small enough to fit inside the canoe when you don't want to use it (or can't use it). He has recently fitted a rudder to the boat and sounds like he is enjoying it more. The sail size can be increased by making the luff and leach longer - something Paul is doing and describing in his thread on this subforum.
https://www.woodworkforums.com/f169/d...-canoe-121449/

The other is the sail rig supplement for the outrigger hulls. This is more fuss to transport and set up for sailing but would give really big sailing performance but not so good to paddle against headwinds! Not so good as the above when you want to get on the water quickly, but for daysails would be quite acceptable. The sailing gear drawings are free for those who have the outrigger plans.
Drop in Outriggers – photo and comments from the Philippines|Michael Storer Wooden Boat Plans

Best wishes
Michael

Do you mean a heart attack because you have to paddle too hard? Or you need to cover the 5km more quickly.

Kinda both... I set the stroke rate way too high, then held it... I'm pretty happy with the 'fast' time over 5km's though.

I've bought enought materials to make 2 canoes... I'm thinking that (from my position of complete ignorance about all things boaty) that I could ;
a) modify the one I've done to be a rather ridiculous sailing canoe, or
b) modify the plans to make a QC155/International Sailing Canoe hybrid.

Either way has enough potential for complete failure to make it interesting.

HI Clinton,

I think the Quick Canoe hull will be a little bit low on the stability stakes to behave itself as an international canoe variant. But the thought has crossed my mind that a purpose built/designed version of a sailing canoe might be quite a nice adjunct to the QC family.

I don't think the current one would be a completely ridiculous sailing canoe ... after all Paul has been doing it for some time with his narrower prototype version.
MIK

I don't think the current one would be a completely ridiculous sailing canoe ... after all Paul has been doing it for some time with his narrower prototype

forgive my ignorance, but what advantages does a narrower verison grant... if indeed a narrower version is better under sail?

Hi Clinton,

The narrow boat has no advantages at all for sailing and still works OK. So if it works it means the standard width boat will work better.

Paul has been sailing his really regularly - so it shows that it is very reasonable to equip one as a sailer.

I will see if Paul has any comments ... he has just made the sail bigger and might have some ideas after doing that. I know he likes the rudder on the back a lot.

MIK

Originally Posted by Clinton1

I'm thinking that (from my position of complete ignorance about all things boaty) that I could ;

a)
b) modify the plans to make a QC155/International Sailing Canoe hybrid.

Either way has enough potential for complete failure to make it interesting.

These guys (Selway Fisher Design) have plans for a stitch and glue ply version of an international canoe (at the bottom of the page):
Selway Fisher Sailing Canoes

Originally Posted by Boatmik

But the thought has crossed my mind that a purpose built/designed version of a sailing canoe might be quite a nice adjunct to the QC family.
MIK

I would be keen to see what Mik can come up with in this direction - quick canoe both in terms of build time and sailing speed (has to give a good Laser sailor a fright)

I was thinking along these lines, taking a quick canoe, adding stronger gunwale structure with inwale spacers from the Goat, plus 2 close set bulkheads to hold up a mast partner and centreboard case again like the Goat, put on a leaning plank or outriggers so you can really hike out like an International canoe.

I'm currently working on a folding skin on frame meets international canoe design, 1m x 5m, some big challenges with making a skin on frame structure strong enough to take the torsion loads of the rig and hiking out/going fast, but I think I'm getting there. Want something that can go on the bus/in the car boot or on an aeroplane. Will post when I have it more worked out.

I'm keen to see Mik's ideas on the highest performance rig that can go on such a sailing canoe while still being simple and cheap and easily reefed.

Ian

Thanks Mik and Ian.

I've gone off on a tangent... so will take some time to repost on this untill my thoughts have shaped up.

Thanks, MIK, for sending me the link to this thread.

My first canoe sail was MIK's "drop-in" 21 sq ft (2 sq m) and it is really quite small and a great trainer. I recommend starting with it.

My new sail is 39 sq ft, almost double the area, and is scaled between the OZ Mk II lugsail and the drop-in one, so it is not just enlarged by increasing the height, but by the foot and the head as well. Spar length went from six to eight feet so it still stows in the boat albeit not quite as easily. To date I have not had it out in anything over a gentle breeze. At that, it felt like I had too much weight aloft, so I tapered the spars and lightened them (an ongoing project). In this small boat I can rather easily get a good deal of my weight outboard without trying to get up onto the wales, which would be a rather acrobatic trick. Maybe that time will come but I am sure it will be after a good deal of crash and burn. Another secret of sailing such a canoe is keeping weight low. I sail sitting butt on the floor.

The larger sail made weight shift steering more difficult, thus the new rudder. It is more or less a hybrid of MIK's and Jim Michalak's designs. It uses MIK's type of two sided box and foil shape, but with a freely dropping, lead-weighted, swing-up rudder. In the photo, the water is shallow, so the rudder is kicked up. I plan to add bungees to assure that it stays down except when aground.

I tried to add a photo showing the rudder but do not see it, so here is the URL for a couple of places that some of them can be found:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37106513@N03/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pdrace...08412/pic/list
The second of these requires joining and yet another password. Boo! Hiss!

Ahoy,
I have a question similar to the OP.
I want to build a coastal-worthy sailing canoe rig that I can use to river camp as well. I live near the Gulf of Mexico close to Galveston Bay and several major river systems.
If I bought the QC plans and the drop-in outrigger plans would I be able to build a stable sailing vessel or would the Eureka/outriggers be a better option.
I hope I am not hijacking this tread.
Thanks,
JJ

Coastal Cruising in small boats is quite a specialised area. I've been offshore in bigger yachts often enough to know what it can be like out there and how quickly it can become like that.

But with that caution, small boats offshore can be a great thing.

Offshore can mean heading out among the fishing boats offshore on a good day or travelling up the coast making beach landings on a several days trip.

The latter one does require a different boat that is very well sorted out and the sailor has some confidence in because of a good amount of sailing experience in a broad range of conditions to identify weaknesses. In principle there is nothing particularly wrong with the Quick Canoe (or many boats) with modifications and some thinking about possible scenarios.

Some to think about

Hull - lots of built in buoyancy - some way of getting rid of nuisance water. With the Quick canoe in particular as a mostly sailing vessel the skeg on the bow end should be trimmed down to around 3/4" 19mm high.

Recovery/likelihood of capsize - mostly from sailing in different conditions.

Beefing up the hull/crossbeam join - not particularly difficult.

Beefing up the mast base and mast step - maybe a bulkhead or a ring frame to take those loads.

I think it is all feasible, but it is a medium term project whichever boat is chosen.

Best wishes
MIK

hijack away JJ... other than the fact that I'm happy with on topic hijacks, its also relevant to where I'm going... so hijack away!