Thread: Whats lies between a Duck and a GIS?

There is talk of a 12' baby goat, a Kid I suppose! I think it is next on MIK's list of jobs to do!!!

Check this thread, "Son of Goat"

https://www.woodworkforums.com/f169/s...roject-112470/

Brian

Has anyone any experience with one of these?

Howdy,

The son of goat will eventually come but I am bogged down in my ultra simple version of the PDR.

If it was so simple ... it would be easy to design ... right?! Not.

The Son of Goat will work fine at the 12 ft length, but I think the concept will fall apart in smaller sizes - part of the reason for the goat's performance and it not behaving like a traditional flat bottomed boat is the pointyness of the bottom and its relative narrowness. Shorter boats have to be relatively wide if you want them to carry similar weights and so disappeareth the things that make the GIS nice.

I think I can make it work in a 12 ft version - in fact after America I know I can because I have seen Phil Rhodes designed Penguin - which makes it work at a shade under 12.

If I had seen the penguin before I designed the goat I would have been unable to focus on my own idea .. it is pretty close in some respects.

Best wishes
Michael

I think it bodes well that if the Uk's best dinghy designer,Ian Proctor, thought the flat bottom could work in a 12' dinghy, then it will. His SigneT design below.





Brian

Originally Posted by Kaiser Soze

Has anyone any experience with one of these?

the Nutshell is much smaller than the PDR.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zusgm-YvA0w]YouTube - Sailing Wooden boats - PDR vs Nutshell.MOV[/ame]

Why not go for the GIS? You already know she's beautiful, she's easy to put together, and she'll pretty much outperform anything else in its class, all for the about the same amount of money.

The GIS is my first boat building project, and I have made mistakes, for sure, but it's been a fantastic learning experience. With the wealth of building information out there and outgoing persons who are willing to help you throughout the build, it just seems to make sense to go for the GIS if you want curvy good looking high performance boat.

If you can read, you can do it-- you can't go wrong.

Originally Posted by keyhavenpotter

the Nutshell is much smaller than the PDR.

The two are about the same length, but you can see very clearly where the PDR gets the stability to carry the extra sail.

MIK

Originally Posted by Boatmik

The two are about the same length, but you can see very clearly where the PDR gets the stability to carry the extra sail.

MIK

Hi MIK;

Can you check your e-mail? I am waiting for a reply from you about something.

Rick.

Done.

Originally Posted by keyhavenpotter

the Nutshell is much smaller than the PDR.

YouTube - Sailing Wooden boats - PDR vs Nutshell.MOV

There are a couple of things that never get mentioned when this clip comes up.

Firstly, it is NOT a Nutshell, it's a Welsford Tender Behind ... which is smaller than a Nutshell though this one has a Nutshell sail.

Secondly, at the time this film was taken, I'd aimed Redback towards the beach and had washed off all her speed ready for said landing.

Thirdly, the only reason it works under sail at all is because Mik steered me away from the daft way the plans expected you to rig it, the foils were dramatically increased in size ... and Mik was patient enough to fix my inept setup earlier on the day this clip was taken.

So, really, all that clip proves is that both boats sail. The reality is that the PDR has more space, is lighter, is more useable (coz it's not cluttered with a stupid interior layout) and does perform far better than Redback, but this clip is evidence of none of that

Richard

I can accept all of that! Peter put the Jaws music on as a joke.

Oh ... it was Richard filming and Ted, formerly of Duck Flat in the white and blue boat. So I guess it doesn't represent anything at all!

MIK