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  1. #1
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    Default Help Please: Huanyang VFD + 1.5Kw Water cooled spindle

    Hi team,

    Pretty new to all of this CNC stuff, but been around computers and some electronics for, ahem, a few years.

    I built the control box with a G540 following the wiring diagram from Homann Designs - EN-010 rev8.2
    Controlled from Mach3.
    This has all been working great since January with the original spindle.

    In June the original spindle gave up and so we have purchased a Huanyang VFD + 1.5Kw water cooled spindle.

    Did a heap of research and read ALL of the tips and tricks for newbies on these units and triple checked everything before I powered it up.

    Tested the 0-10v output from G540 and all works well. Relays in my control box are doing what they are supposed to.
    I can control the VFD from Mach3 without issue. Turn it on/off, set the speed (freq). All looks good on the VFD.

    Once I connect the spindle is when things don't go right.
    The problem is, that the spindle makes all the right noises....but it doesn't spin. The sound/pitch will increase as I adjust the speed in Mach3, but the spindle does not spin at all.

    Also, if I set the RPM to a high speed it trips the VFD to error code "dl" which means:
    1. Check whether connection wire of the motor has got short circuit.
    2. Check whether the insulation of the output wires is good
    3. Send it for repair.

    So, if I set to say 20000rpm, the VFD starts to increase the Freq and the spindle sound starts to increase in pitch (still not spinning), and then all of a sudden the VFD switches to error "dl" and everything stops.

    I'm pretty sure the spindle is at fault, but wanted to get any insights from the rest of you before we look at trying to get a replacement, or opening it up to see what's happening inside.

    Appreciate any help guys.

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    From what your saying it sounds like an issue with the connection from the spindle to the VFD.

    So, just to clarify, the VFD RPM is increasing on the display as you adjust the pot? If it is doing this correctly, then all i can suggest is check PD001 and PD002 to ensure they are correctly set for external control

    /M

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    Hi seafurymike,

    Appreciate the response.

    I'm using Mach3 to control the spindle with M3 Sxxxxx commands (so not using a POT)
    I can start and stop with M3 and M5. I can set S to change the freq on the VFD.
    (I haven't checked the ROTT display on the VFD to see what RPM it is reporting).

    Once I send a M3 S8000 command the spindle starts to make the noises and the pitch increases as the freq goes up on the VFD....but the actual spindle does not spin. It just makes the noises. It's like the internal parts of the spindle are spinning, but not the external parts.

    I checked the wiring from the VFD to the spindle tonight, and all appears correct. Got good continuity and no shorts that I can tell. But, I will replace the cabling later tonight and test again, just to be sure.

    My VFD settings are:
    PD013 = 1 Reset to factory
    PD005 = 400
    PD004 = 400
    PD003 = 400
    PD001 = 1
    PD002 = 1
    PD006 = 2.5
    PD008 = 220
    PD009 = 15
    PD010 = 8
    PD011 = 120
    PD014 = 5
    PD015 = 0.8
    PD025 = 1
    PD142 = 7
    PD143 = 2
    PD144 = 3000
    PD070 = 0
    PD072 = 400

    I also tried manually controlling the freq from the VFD, after changing PD001 & 2 back to 0. Had the same result.
    Freq would change, spindle would make the noises, but not actually spin...

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Mike

    Your spindle is buggered, sorry to say.
    You can pull the spindles apart and if i recall there was a thread on here where a guy replaced the bearings in his unit which shows the procedure.

    Can you talk with the seller to get a replacement?
    If you were in melbourne you could have tried it on my unit.

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    Hi seafurymike,

    OK, I thought as much myself.

    Just good to get a second opinion, and from a member such as yourself is just a bonus.

    Thanks for running your eye over everything and helping out.

    I've ordered a new spindle, and we will chase for a warranty replacement on this one too.
    Don't mind having a spare anyways at the price...

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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    Hi seafurymike,

    Just to provide closure on this, you were on the money mate!

    The problem WAS between the spindle and VFD. The cable was the problem.
    Replaced it tonight, as I said I would following your post, did another factory reset and reprogrammed the VFD to be safe.

    Then tested it, and off it went.

    Also, what I found was that if I was setting a freq (speed) below 120 (PD011) then it would exhibit the same symptoms. The spindle would make all the sounds like it was going, but just not spin. So the cable must have had some cross pollination which contaminated the signals to the spindle...

    And we did have some contact with the vendor and he advised to set PD041 = 8.

    I reviewed the manual and found this:
    Model: HY01D523B
    PD009 = 14
    PD010 = 7
    PD014 = 10
    PD015 = 10
    PD041 = 8

    I set 9,10,41 as above. Left 14,15 as previously (spin up/down seconds)

    This sorted out the "dl" error and I can max out the freq at 400 (24000rpm).

    So, I've got some nice shielded cable designed for VFD's on it's way as well.

    Thanks again for your help.

    Cheers,
    Mike.

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