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    A lot of bureaucrats and unproductive unions clipping that ticket...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveVman View Post
    I'm confused. What are origin charges?

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    Yeah, good question. I guess Roger Webb has to get his commission out of the sale some how or other and it would appear that he's not paid by the Chinese factory, although there may be some fee paid by them directly to him, who'd know. As a margin the origin charges are not much so I guess it depends on whether the buyer feels they have got some value out of his assistance, direction, back up support and expertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cava View Post
    Insist on a copy of the Australian Certificate of Electrical Approval (or the Certificate Number) for the machine.

    This is what I do for a living.
    I emailed Roger, as you suggested, to ask for the certification and his reply was this: "Your router was not made in Australia so therefore an Australian certification is not applicable"

    Every time he opens his mouth, he condemns himself. I have now reported the matter to Energy Safe Victoria. They have indicated that their Tassie counterpart will need to look into this but suggested that it may go as far as a recall of Roger's machines in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougsshed View Post
    I emailed Roger, as you suggested, to ask for the certification and his reply was this: "Your router was not made in Australia so therefore an Australian certification is not applicable"

    Every time he opens his mouth, he condemns himself. I have now reported the matter to Energy Safe Victoria. They have indicated that their Tassie counterpart will need to look into this but suggested that it may go as far as a recall of Roger's machines in Australia.
    Anything sold in Australia or connected to a 240VAC power connection is required by law to be Australian Certified.

    Further it also has the have a CTick Mark for Electromagnetic Compliance.

    Additionally he (or his company) has to be registered with the EESS.

    I think that there is very big problems here...

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    Hang on, Roger isn't the importer, Dougshed is.

    Roger may have sold it to you (or atleast acted like a middle man) but he may as well have lived in Uzbekistan for all it matters (he is just an email address and phone number).

    Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougsshed View Post
    I emailed Roger, as you suggested, to ask for the certification and his reply was this: "Your router was not made in Australia so therefore an Australian certification is not applicable"

    Every time he opens his mouth, he condemns himself. I have now reported the matter to Energy Safe Victoria. They have indicated that their Tassie counterpart will need to look into this but suggested that it may go as far as a recall of Roger's machines in Australia.
    Quote Originally Posted by cava View Post
    Anything sold in Australia or connected to a 240VAC power connection is required by law to be Australian Certified.

    Further it also has the have a CTick Mark for Electromagnetic Compliance.

    Additionally he [Roger] (or his company) has to be registered with the EESS.

    I think that there is very big problems here...
    I agree that it looks like there are very big problems,

    but unfortunately, I suspect that in respect to electrical compliance it is Doug who is the "official" importer of his machine and thus has the compliance problem.
    Doug purchased the machine direct from the Chinese manufacturer. The purchase may have been on Roger's recommendation, but the actual transaction was with the Chinese company.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dougsshed View Post
    I have just bought a PT6012 CNC Router from Pacific Tooling. However, on the sales invoice, the payee is a 3rd party called Boost International Company Ltd which happens to have the same address as the factory.
    Doug paid the shipping invoice.
    Doug paid the import fees.

    looks very much that Pacific Tooling is operating in a way that shifts any regulatory or compliance burden onto the customer.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    FYI

    I've just done a search on ASIC's register of business, company and trading names -- I can't find an entry for "Pacific Tooling"

    I can't find an entry for "Pacific Tooling" on the ABN register either.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Well Roger MUST have an ABN to operate in Australia, so ask him what that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Willson View Post
    Well Roger MUST have an ABN to operate in Australia, so ask him what that is.
    but ...
    did Doug, at any stage, pay Roger any money?
    or were all payments channeled through the Chinese Company?


    also, it will need an accountant to conform this, but I think businesses with less than a certain minimum turn-over don't need to have an ABN.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    but ...
    did Doug, at any stage, pay Roger any money?
    or were all payments channeled through the Chinese Company?


    also, it will need an accountant to conform this, but I think businesses with less than a certain minimum turn-over don't need to have an ABN.
    I don't think that is correct, below a certain turnover which used to be 72K they do not have to register for GST compliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Parks View Post
    I don't think that is correct, below a certain turnover which used to be 72K they do not have to register for GST compliance.
    I don't really know.
    I thought that ABNs were part of the GST compliance regime, and not a separate entity. If a business doesn't quote an ABN, the payee is supposed to retain 10% of the invoice amount and forward same to the ATO. Not that that would mean much to the average retail consumer.


    but as I said, it would need an accountant to advise what the rules are
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    In any event, regardless of whether Roger made money through his company or not, I suspect that he made 'some' money and so he is liable to be taxed on that amount. Did he put in a proper tax return for this I wonder? ... Hmmmm.
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    I don't think we should go there.


    Better to concentrate on Doug's dilemma.
    If as appears probable he is legally the "importer" of his CNC, then he is the one responsible for electrical certification and electromagnetic compliance.

    I shudder to think how much obtaining both certificates might cost.
    regards from Alberta, Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian View Post
    I shudder to think how much obtaining both certificates might cost.
    Probably circa $20-25,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cava View Post
    Probably circa $20-25,000.
    And yet I know of a tafe collage that imported a 3 phase heavy duty drill press which arrived not working (brand new...) with every wire purple, including earths.
    It was rewired by the staff and no certs were even attempted to be obtained to my knowledge.

    Apologies for dragging this off topic - Cava, do all items require certification or would rewiring count from a REC? I understand that the lack of EM compliance may have answered my question, but I am curious as it has been a topic of discussion at work before. My opinion has always been if it doesn't have the magic tick on the item, sparkies should use the 10 foot barge pole rule.

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