Thread: 10inch table saw comparison

NSW Department of Fair Trading regarding refunds:

"The goods consumers purchase must be of merchantable quality. Goods and services supplied to consumers must also be reasonably fit for any particular purpose made known by the consumer to the supplier except where the consumer does not rely, or it is unreasonable for the consumer to rely, on the skill or judgement of the supplier.
Consumers may ask for a refund if the goods purchased:

• have a basic, serious fault that was not known by the consumer at the time of purchase
• do not do the job that the consumer was led to believe they would do
• do not match the sample the consumer was shown, or
• do not fit their description.

Consumers and traders may negotiate other solutions such as a repair or replacement but under these circumstances a consumer has a legal right to cancel a contract (rescind) and receive a refund if there is a breach of that contract.
Where a dispute arises between a consumer and a trader, the Office of Fair Trading can negotiate with the parties to achieve an acceptable solution. However, Fair Trading is unable to direct the parties to a particular course of action. Only a court or tribunal is empowered to make a determination in such circumstances."

I would argue that you could refund it on this basis. But i guess it depends on how well you argue it

Many thanks for your considered response, John, (post #15 above) it certainly puts things in perspective for me. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill, for the price that I paid ($1,200).

All the same, I don't think it unreasonable to have the two slots of equal width, so that I don't have to use two mitre gauges and jigs.

kind regards,
Jill

If you do decide to send it back, I wouldn't mention that you've been belting it with a hammer and a block of wood.

Originally Posted by JillB

All the same, I don't think it unreasonable to have the two slots of equal width, so that I don't have to use two mitre gauges and jigs.kind regards,
Jill

I agree and I think you would be able to claim a refund on this alone. If they have another one in stock, why dont you see if the slots on that table has equal sized slots and if so ask them to replace the TS for you. You say that they told you if they got you another one, there would be no guarantee it would be any different from the one you have, well I would insist that they replace the one you have now and if its the same, you are certainly no worse off and you may find it will be "perfect" So you have something to gain at least.
On the other hand, you may find that .1mm may be acceptable. I have just checked my saw slots and they both seem to measure the same with an ordinary ruler but there is just a hint of movement in the mitre gauge when its in either one of the slots. I haven't found this to be a problem.and haven't noticed it before until you mentioned it.

Hi JillB
I have just been reading about your problem with the table saw and was woundering how things ended up, I will be going down the same path in a couple of months, so far as buying a new table saw
Regards Colbra

Hi, I have returned the original saw table and taken delivery of a new TCS - 10HB cabinet saw from Carbatec for $2,000. Guess what - the mitre slots are also of different widths. Am in the process of removing the grease on the worm gears and the trunnion bearings, and applying dry lubricant.

Looks like I have used too much dry lubricant ( Dry Glide with PTFE) on the worm gears, as it is now much more difficult to wind the blade up and down

regards,
Jill

I'm starting to think that maybe Carbatec kit is not so great.

Originally Posted by JillB

Hi, I have returned the original saw table and taken delivery of a new TCS - 10HB cabinet saw from Carbatec for $2,000. Guess what - the lots are also of different widths.

Just can't win sometimes Jill.

How much do the mitre slots vary by Jill?

19.0 and 19.1mm Fred, enough to make the mitre gauge a sloppy fit in the larger one

Originally Posted by JillB

19.0 and 19.1mm Fred, enough to make the mitre gauge a sloppy fit in the larger one

Geez Jill, you made me go and check my slots in the TSC 10HB. The slots in my saw are 19.4, both the same, the bar in the mitre gauge is 19.39, so by my reckoning, not enough to get concerned about. At least they are both the same width.

Funny thing is, I've been using the same mitre gauge in the 17" Carba-Tec bandsaw, and the slot in that table is 19.41, but I've never noticed the slackness. I guess it's just the degree of wander you get with a bandsaw anyway.

Sorry to hear that you didn't get the same size slots in your saw top. I had issues with a router table wing for my TS, and the guys at Carba-Tec were as helpful as could be. They replaced the top with no questions asked, and didn't want the old one freighted back. (I'm in Townsville too).

Failing an offer of replacement from them, you could take the top off and have a mil machined off the narrower slot so that you could shim the mitre gauge bar to fit both. I've done all that table top adjustment before, and it's just a few bolts to remove the table. Pretty heavy to lug around, but no probs to remove from the machine.

Good luck with the corrections.

Originally Posted by JillB

19.0 and 19.1mm Fred, enough to make the mitre gauge a sloppy fit in the larger one

That also depends on what size the mitre gauge bar is, if that is well below 19.0 mm then yes you wil have a sloppy fit.

To be honest, I would have thought that 0.1mm variance, all of 4 thousands of an inch, was outside manufacturing specifications for a machine of that calibre.

I haven't measured the mitre slots on my TS10L yet, will do so tomorrow. But I will say that the mitre gauge supplied with any of the tablesaws I have looked at, and that includes the one supplied with mine, is not of the highest calibre.

I went out and bought an Incra 1000SE gauge and have been very happy with that, but it does cost quite a bit extra.

I think it is very easy to fall in the trap of wanting to pay for a Holden and expecting to receive a Mercedes.

Just went out and braved the cold.

Took several readings in each mitre slot, fairly consistent, with the lowest being 19.08 and the highest being 19.12, so a maximum variance of .04 mm or 1.5 thou. Not bad.

As you have only given your readings to 1 decimal place, if I did the same then they would all be 19.1. Be interesting to see what your readings are to 2 decimal places on a digital caliper?

Incra V27's are relatively cheap nowdays, if you don't need too many stops. I would prefer a longer slide though.

The incras have a nylon bush and screw. You tighten the screw until the bush is hard against the sides of the slot then back it off a tad, result smooth sliding and virtually no play. Takes seconds.

wally peat: You don't want to sell the old wing do you ?