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    Default repair or replace veneer on gramophone?

    This Gramophone was made in the USA. The pictures show the damaged area. I've also included a pic of the timber in the hope someone can identify the species.

    I've never attempted to repair veneer before. I don't know whether to repair the damaged area with a new piece of veneer and attempt to match the grain/colour/finish, or completely replace the veneer on the top. I've no idea what the timber is. It doesn't appear to be American Oak.

    Appreciate any advice.
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    Being such a small section i would repair, you may have totally fabricate a piece to match, i.e. physically colour and draw grain

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    Thanks. Do I cut off the damaged area to give a sharp edge to butt the repair piece against, or do I shape the new piece to match the damaged edge?

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    I believe trimming would be normal.20191104_164637.jpg
    This is a poor image of a singer sewing machine which I believe is American oak, not greatly different from your sample.

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    Trimming with straight cuts will be more difficult to disguise, however trimming to match the damage will be more difficult to execute although
    will result in a less noticeable repair

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    You have a Mahogany veneer there Jack . Coloured up a bit with a dark stain that's killing off the typical red . A bit of the true colour can be seen at the edge of the break where the bit is missing . The wider picture with the red circle also shows a typical Mahogany grain pattern with the dark and light bands of opposing grain direction that you see on the quarter with Mahogany and also on Mahogany types or look a likes seen here in Australia like Red cedar and QLD Maple . Being Made in the USA though its Mahogany . If it Had a made in Australia badge on it I'd be saying it looks like Mahogany but is possibly Qld Maple .

    How big is the missing piece ? From the close up with a guess it looks like an inch square . The picture with the red circle makes it look half as big which is good .

    If You clean that up with a sharp chisel as a square and add a new piece it will stick out more than if you cut a straight line diagonally across and get a nice clean straight single join . Your making it larger though . So just a square may suit?
    After fitting a piece and getting it dead level and smooth you will also find its a larger repair . A bit of colour matching and finish matching, up to the same level then blending it in with the whole top by re finishing the whole top is the way to go if you know how to do that.

    If not that then you could have a go at just touching up and trying do do the almost impossible and match the shine and texture of that old finish just in that corner. Either way those old Varnish finishes can be pretty tricky sometimes.

    Rob

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    Thanks all for the help.

    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    You have a Mahogany veneer there Jack. Coloured up a bit with a dark stain that's killing off the typical red.
    Thanks Rob,
    As well as the stain there are about 90 years worth of wax and grime. I had a go at cleaning up the back panel. Rubbed gently with a grey Scotchbrite and Danish oil until all the crap was removed. It looks MUCH better. The red colour has come through and it has a silky smooth finish.

    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    How big is the missing piece ?
    About 15mm square.

    Quote Originally Posted by auscab View Post
    If You clean that up with a sharp chisel as a square and add a new piece it will stick out more than if you cut a straight line diagonally across and get a nice clean straight single join... A bit of colour matching and finish matching, up to the same level then blending it in with the whole top by re finishing the whole top is the way to go if you know how to do that.
    I reckon I will cut on the diagonal and colour match/refinish to blend the repair as you suggested. I have a piece of mahogany to cut a veneer off. And I have some walnut spirit stain which I should be able to dilute and slowly build up until the desired colour is reached. And then spray the top panel with Mirocat I think.

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