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    Post Building a new tread making jig for my wheels

    This is wheel jig number 3.

    Make sure your eyes are rested and you have on your reading glasses this is a long one.

    Here's a picture of the wheels I can make with this type a jig.
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    I seem to never quit finding I need to adjust my jig for different sized wheels, and have been building more modern cars that use small wheels even though they are not small models.
    The case in point was my last build a Mustang, I blow up the plans to be twice as big and the wheels were still under 2”.
    This is a problem as my jig was made for wheels around 2 3/4 or bigger and I need to use a 7 1/4 saw blade to get the thin kerfs that look right..
    The problem comes in because to do the smaller wheels the blade needs to be raised in the jig but a 7 1/4 blade will only go up so far, a 10” blade will work but if you cut 36 treads for the tire as the jig is set up for, the thicker blade cut and the smaller circumference of the wheel make for some really thin treads. The fix is to make an adjustable jig that can raise and lower the axle bar as needed to still be able to use the 7 1/4 blade.

    The jig I use now can do this but you have to take the axle bar apart and lower to different holes to get it done and it’s very time consuming.
    So the plan is to take my oldest wheel jig apart and use the table saw sled from it then build an adjustable axle bar for it.
    Some one asked me a question the other day and I went to looking up an answer in my blog posts and even with the index I made things are hard to find about wheel making.
    As I’m now waiting for Gatto to send me their plans for a Chevy Corvette I thought I would redo the wheel jig and get ready for some wheels and while I’m at it make a blog of the jig build with measurements .
    So here’s the jig all finished up, I guess I should put some finish on it but is a tool not a model.

    I know some will say it looks just like the last one but there’s two really big differences.
    One is the height adjustment and the other is when I switch from one angle to the other or to straight all my guides use the same dowel holes for setting the angle so no more confusion about which hole is which so the change over is much quicker.
    With the back guide fence in place and the quick change wheel stop I’ve still got 6 1/2” of space for tire blanks, which means I can do 6 to 8 tires at a time in the straight cut mod.
    In angled mod you can only do one at a time and some times two if I’m not after to nice a matched up tread.
    The base is a table saw sled with no braces top and bottom [If I start having any warp problems I will add some but have had nun in over a year]
    Here is the sled bottom when finished, it was square to start with.
    There are a ton a how 2s about making the sled so check one of them out.
    Every table saw is different so need to make to suit, just remember that where the blade come through is the important thing, adjust to that..
    The cut angle on the sled are so the handle can turn as it hangs over the side of the sled.

    First I build a box 5” wide and 3” deep, there is a grove cut [3” side] where the axle bar needs to go up and down.
    The grove goes up to 2 1/2”, which should let me make 4 3/4 wheels to 1 1/4.
    This box is used to keep everything squared up.
    Made with a top and bottom and I used screws so if anything down the road needs changed no problem.

    Notice I have a 3/4 space before the long sides, this is for the axle guide plates, front and back. NOTE Cut all the sides and guide plates at the same time so all will match up, also the axle holes. Really none of these measurements are critical I just went big for if I ever build another Hummer, then again if tractors are in your future go wide my friend go wide and high. LOL

    Now for the guide plates which should fit snug so as you raise and lower them they’ll match the other side.
    I won’t be raising and lowering that much so will just use screws to hold them in place as needed.
    I drilled 1/4” holes for the axles in the sliding plates about 1 1/4” high but I could have gone down to 3/4” or the top of the bottom plate.
    Down for the smaller wheels.

    Up for the big dogs.

    I used 1/4” all tread for the jig, which matches my model builds if you build with bigger axle use bigger, bigger would be better.
    Here you can see where I add bolt a wheel with some sand paper on it, this is where the wheels get held to the axle.
    I use tree nuts to help hold it all together. Note I add a small screw to make sure all stays in place.

    Here again we see the tree nut doing it’s job, I all so have one on the back side of the handle with the teeth cut off.
    This handle and the wheel clamp must not move on the axle or it will not work right.
    You also see in this picture where I added a spacer where the guide pin goes in to stop any slop in the guide.
    I prefer to use a pin in the guide to hold the wheels in place for the next cut, when cutting 8 wheels at a time you don’t want any slip ups.

    Here’s a good picture of the table set up in straight mod.
    When you build your sled, once its made set it on the table saw and cut out the center so you’ll know where it is then you’ll know where to place the jig.
    Note try not to cut out any more of the kerf then need be for strength.

    Here you can see where I added the wings so I would have something to bolt the jig to the base.
    Also you can see the two screws holding the wings down, also if you look closely there’s three dowels put in place to guide me the next time I take off and on the fence.
    I used the same guide holes and dowels for every angle change, and the screws go back in the same holes, this way changing from one angle to another takes minutes with no thought needed to readjust
    anything.
    NOTE Be sure not to put any screws or nails where the saw can get to them when the jig is in angle mod.
    Here I’m setting up the angle using a 30-60-90 Triangle



    Then the other angle or side.

    Here drilling for the dowel.

    With the jig at an angle I needed to cut some off the end for the guide wheel.





    Bolt Guide
    The nut pattern goes as follows on the all thread..
    Nut—-lock washer—-plywood guide—-tee nut—-fender washer—-
    plywood *—-fender washer—-nut—-lock washer——-
    plywood
    [nuts should be locked just behind plywood and all other parts locked to this]-—-fender washer—-nut—-lock washer—-nut—-fender washer—-plywood—-tee nut.
    [this last tee nut should be flush with the wood and then sand paper added to help hold the wheel blanks]




    One last thing Stop blocks.
    I put the fence close to the base and add a screw to the base and clamp a block of wood for a stop block to the fence.
    This is the stop as I pull the jig toward me.
    I use a block at the back screwed to my out feed table for the outer most stop.
    There are much simpler jigs for making threaded wheels but if you need it make a ton of them this can get it done fast and safe as your hands are a long way away from trouble and the guide makes it a no brainier just add some wheel blanks and off you go.
    It is now hung on the wall ready for use at any time with no setup.
    I think it may be a good idea as your cutting wheels to give your table saw a brake to cool down once in a while. LOL
    If I’m up to it I may try and make a wheel making blog from start to finish as always before I would just show the newer tips which has gotten everything pretty spread out.
    I hope this is helpful.
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    thanks for that

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    That's one top wheel cutting jig, thank you Bruce for the photos & notes....

    Cheer, Peter

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    Top post Bruce

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    I put together some extra tee nuts and bolts on an all threat to better show how it all works together, I’m sure there’s a better way but it gets it done for me.



    And here’s what it looks like if you not in the need for the height adjustment.




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    Default Setting up the jig and how it works.

    A helper post for the tread making jig.
    Here is the jig in straight mod but I need angle tire treads so!

    Take out the two screws holding the base down, then pull up and turn the frame for angled mod, using the dowels to line everything up, them screw it down so everything stays in place.

    I cut off the corner so the fence could get in closer.

    I added a stop block at the back of the table saw so i wouldn’t have to think about stopping ,just hit the stop and on we go.


    Then we add a screw near the front of the fence for the other stopping point.

    Then clamp a board to the fence so the jig will stop just past cutting the groove.

    Now it will be stopped both at the front and back swing.

    Here are the two types of nobs I use to hold the wheel blanks in place.
    The black needs to be screwed all the way the other is way cool and will slip on till it hits the wheel blank then grip the threads. [Thanks Ducky for turning me on to these.] {I think their a ROCKLER part}

    Now get an idea where the blade will hit the tire and get it close, but you can fine tune it by making your first cut and raise the blade as needed till you get it right.

    Now add a blank, [one at a time in angled mod] I needed to add a spacer at the back so the blade wouldn’t eat up the nob as it came around.

    Now add the spacer block at the back to help hold the rod in place, just a quick clamp for this.
    Be sure the all thread is level.


    The wheel is done.
    And you can see why the backer board gets all chewed up.
    These tire are for my Bob Cat and the jig has 36 holes on the indicator, as the wheels are so small and I wanted a different look, so just used every other hole to add more space and less tread.
    [Most Toys and Joys trucks and the like use the 36 tread grooves.]


    Then after you make the right side treads you need to make the lefts, so switch the jig on the base and you’ll need to make some adjustments to the stop blocks.


    Your table saw is probable different so you’ll need to figure out what will work for you.
    I would guess you could do it with out the stop blocks but you’ll be making many , many cuts so it safer and just easier to use the blocks to me, turns it in to a no brainier for the cuts.
    I hope this is helpful and clears up some questions you may have had.



    And here are my first wheels off the jig.
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