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Thread: Bolts for couplings
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24th May 2010, 08:29 PM #16New Member
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Hi Yonnee,
In saying what I have said and Ian has said, there is still a very gray area in this whole arena.
I will not cover it any more. But if you think the sub 4500kg trailer industry is lacking info, look into the heavy vehicle area and you may be surprised at what we are sharing the roads with.
Some of the regulations are air tight (or near enough) like lighting etc, but others, like engineering certification are just offered as advice.
I am extremely bewildered as to what can be "allowed" on our roads and yet there appears to be a control in place but in reality it is only a token attempt at regulation.
We have recently modified a trailer (10000kg) for ADR's and had to do over $20000 worth of work to get it legal, without getting into the engineering side of the problems. This was a brand new trailer that had never been registered and was not even suitable for connecting to a prime mover, yet was "ready for rego" and would have been had the client had a suitable address to send the details to. This trailer would have failed within the first 5000k's and had already shown signs whilst being transported yet was "registerable".
My thanks go to Surfin for at least trying to get a logical answer, even though we didn't help all that much I fear.
Whilst we respect the advice given by these in the game a long time (inlcuding suppliers and manufacturers), there is a chance they have been misinformed and misguided as well and we should exercise our own gut feeling at times too.
We are all human and we don't always get it right but it is nice to try.
We should be grateful for fellas like yonnee who spend as much time helping others as they could probably be in the shed enjoying themselves.
Cheers Cam
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25th May 2010, 12:26 AM #17
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26th May 2010, 11:59 PM #18
Well bugger me, I log on to post this exact question about what type of bolts to use on my coupling and also to attach my Alko IRS with and look what I find
My hitch (a cast Carter?) does not have a flat mounting face and in fact has a raised foot under each bolt hole so based on the above I should be using MS to fit the hole size (14mm). Are there different grades of MS, if so what grade to use and am I best of using course thread?
Now for the Alko IRS, the mounting is pressed steel so not a nice machined flat surface and two bolts on each side (so four all up). I assume that this should also use MS in the 14mm course thread to fit the holes?
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27th May 2010, 12:16 AM #19
Just double-check that 14mm will fit. Most of those couplings (Carter Wesco, AL-KO, Trigg,) only ever had holes to fit 1/2" bolts.
The AL-KO axle you can use either. Most of the load force is downward, compressing the trailer to the axle, so not alot of force on the bolts by comparison with the coupling. But I would recommend using a large diameter flat washer against the slotted hole of the AL-KO bracket. And another comparison, 95% of trailers sold have their axle attached to the springs with MS U'bolts, along with MS bolts mounting the spring eye to the hanger.Too many projects, so little time, even less money!Are you a registered member? Why not? click here to register. It's free and only takes 37 seconds! Doing work around the home? Wander over to our sister site, Renovate Forum, for all your renovation queries.
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27th May 2010, 12:20 AM #20
Thanks Yonnee, yeah 14mm will fit as I think the last owner may have drilled it out. It is only going on for the short term until I can decide which off road coupling to use. My plate has been punched out to 14mm to match.
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28th May 2010, 01:33 AM #21Intermediate Member
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Vehicle manufacturers and towbar manufacturers all insist on towbars being attached to each other with HT bolts
Towbars that have a bolt on tounge use HT bolts
Manufacturers of 4WDrives with recovery hooks use HT bolts.
4WDrive after market accessory manufacturers insist their recovery hooks are joined to the 4WD with HT bolts. I've uninstalled and installed recovery hooks on various vehicles (Jackaroos/Hilux's/Rodeos) and most hooks do not have a machined surface where it joins to the chassis of the vehicle, it is a raw cast surface
My boat trailer (2t boat on trailer) and two 7x4' box trailers were all supplied with HT bolts
There is typically more clamping force with HT bolts as generally they are finer threads, BSF or UNF (yes there are some course pitches out there too).
My double ended stiff bar which has a 50mm coupling on each end, has the couplings bolted down with HT bolts.
Also I would not use a coupling only designed for two bolts, I will even avoid couplings designed for three bolts, will go out of my way to find/purchase/use a coupling with four bolts all the time, even if the four hole coupling costs more.
Cheers,
Wahoon.Last edited by Wahoon; 28th May 2010 at 01:35 AM. Reason: typo
Cheers,
Dion.
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31st May 2010, 11:12 AM #22Member
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Thanks for everyones input...has been most informative...and based on my original question as to whether the VSB1 or other specifies the bolts to use...I think my question has been answered.
Cheers
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