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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritFlutes View Post
    Hey Jim, There's a few of us here now on this NAF Forum. Where the heck are YOU?
    HERE I IS!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by simso View Post
    Hi folks, Id like to make my first wood flute, but need a helping hand as to where to start. I have made plastic poly recordersbefore if that helps. Does anyone in australia sell starter packages

    Steve
    Hi Simso,
    you'll be pretty lucky to find a starter kit anywhere, but if you're looking for a starting idea, what about trying either a fife in D (1/2" bore) or a G flute (3/4" bore). I suggest these because they are common drill sizes and long series are certainly available for 1/2" bits and the 3/4" can be extended easily to achieve the length you would need to be drilling. Both of those suggestions are short enough instruments to make the introduction to drilling relatively pain free. You could also try a stepped bore D flute in three sections if you want an instrument that might get a bit more of a look from other players. I can suggest some suitable dimensions/lengths if you are interested.

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    Thanks, that would be really appreciated, any photos

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    Hi Jim,

    Great news glad you are back at the forum, love to see photos of your creations if you feel to share them. I'd like to thank you for your previous posts that signaled there was interest here in the field of NAF making, I certainly look forward to what the many others out there who are yet to find the forum or are here already wish to offer or share with us all. It certainly is a great community with some really skilled craftsmen but very few flute makers at this stage. I recently had a PM from a guy called Ankit in Calcutta who wishes to come and apprentice with me at my flute workshop here in Australia. I look forward to that.

    Blessings on the journey

    Matt
    www.spiritsongflutes.com.au

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    [QUOTE=SpiritFlutes;793962]Hi Jim,

    I make flutes for a living in Australia. Do you want to learn more about flute making? Where are you at now with the craft?

    I bought a book from CherryCows and went from there. By now I have made about 10 flutes (more but those started fires!! )

    I really appreciated your posting and I am seeking out an "accomplished" flute maker here in the valley. There is a guy at our Local WoodCraft store, just got to save up my money to take a lesson. You point is well taken that Learning from someone who has spent a few more years at it would be of great help.
    Turned Around in Idaho
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    You know what would be helpful to me? If someone could post a movie on how they cut the ramp/tsh to their spec. I have seen other flutes and they always seem so PERFECT, straight and looks like it was "Stamped".. Mine rarely look that way!!!

    I have made 10 flutes and they all tune and I guess sound ok. My Mom buys "HighSpirit Flutes" and they certianly are not as good sounding as those but Im getting closer.

    jim
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    I have looked, and looked again but you blokes haven't let it slip yet. What is NAF?
    prozac

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    Native American Flute = NAF
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    Ohhh, of course..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiminidaho View Post
    You know what would be helpful to me? If someone could post a movie on how they cut the ramp/tsh to their spec. I have seen other flutes and they always seem so PERFECT, straight and looks like it was "Stamped".. Mine rarely look that way!!!

    I have made 10 flutes and they all tune and I guess sound ok. My Mom buys "HighSpirit Flutes" and they certianly are not as good sounding as those but Im getting closer.

    jim
    Hi Jim, give me a few months as I'm on hollidays now and I'll make you a video that could see you improve your sound holes.

    I too have a few High Spirits Flutes I traded for a choice Didgeridoo in Montana a few years ago as it was weighing me down. Just to give you an insight Odel Borg's High Spirits flutes are the most mass produced flutes available on turtle island, while they do have a good sound they have very little spirit as they are produced in a factory with cnc routers and lazer cutters by a large workforce. The reason I mention this is certainly not to write off these flutes or maker but it is to broarden your scope and encourage you to see that your flutes can be much better than this with dedication and practice. With carefull hard hand work and love much of you and your spirit will be in your flutes.

    I recomend you check out flutes by the following makers who I and many others consider the best makers in America. Pat Haran, Colin Perteson. Geri Littlejohn (Wife of late great Hawk Little john) There are others but check these ones out first, maybe buy one for inspiration, you'll never regret it. The old addage you get what you pay for applies, in fact you get less in the cheap end of the market usually.

    Matt

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    That would be beautiful! I look forward to you getting off your holiday... The next thing that I would want to learn is how to take a holiday for few months like you do!!!
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    Hey Jim, I get around to the video in the next few weeks just been so Madly busy here, I now have a new way to make the ramp too which you will like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritFlutes View Post
    Hey Jim, I get around to the video in the next few weeks just been so Madly busy here, I now have a new way to make the ramp too which you will like.
    That would be sweet! I have gotten a little discouraged with flute making. I put a lot of effort and dont always get good results (50%). Dont get me wrong.. I love to make flutes!!! FUUUUN! But when you get failures it just sucks...

    Your help is appreciated!!!!

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiminidaho View Post
    That would be sweet! I have gotten a little discouraged with flute making. I put a lot of effort and dont always get good results (50%). Dont get me wrong.. I love to make flutes!!! FUUUUN! But when you get failures it just sucks...

    Your help is appreciated!!!!

    Jim
    Hey Jim,

    I recall some time ago I promised I'd make a few pics of how I do my soound hole, well taken me a while but I had the camera out in the workshop the other day and I got some pics and a short vid of me burning in a hole. Thread list under woodwind post will be titled Sound Hole For NAF. Great to hear you are progressing with the craft and investing in some good tools.

    Cheers

    SpiritFlutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiminidaho View Post
    You know what would be helpful to me? If someone could post a movie on how they cut the ramp/tsh to their spec. I have seen other flutes and they always seem so PERFECT, straight and looks like it was "Stamped".. Mine rarely look that way!!!

    I have made 10 flutes and they all tune and I guess sound ok. My Mom buys "HighSpirit Flutes" and they certianly are not as good sounding as those but Im getting closer.

    jim
    Jim, I just discovered this site and so I am late in responding to your original question about cutting the ramp and tsh. If you live anywhere near a Woodcraft store, they carry my DVD's on flute making, but here is a short description:
    1. I use a split case method
    2. I layout the tsh as a rectangle that is 1/8" X 1/2 the bore width.
    3. I use a 1/8" end mill in the drill press and a cross slide vise holding the flute blank.
    4. mill out the slot for the tsh in several passes and then square the corners with a file.
    5. take out the blank and turn it upside down and clamp it.
    6. I use a chisel to cut the ramp. If it is sharp you can just push it through with only your body weight. leave the tsh 1'64" thick at the edge.
    7. make a special tool by taking a cabinet scraper and shearing off a piece 3/8" and another 1/2" wide by the length of the scraper. Use double stick tape to attach 180 grit sandpaper to each of them. use these to work the ramps, edges, and flue. go to finer and finer paper until everything is like glass.
    8. your final dimension for the tsh is going to be no less than 1/2 of the bore width and 7/32" in the north south direction, the thickness of the splitting edge is going to be 1/64". Remember to drop the splitting edge down into the air stream so that it is at the mid point in the air stream.

    Bill Hughes of Utah Flutes in SLC

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