Thread: Building Wegner's "The Chair" .

Jake, come on over. The beer is cold. The bloody shed is colder. My wife keeps telling me to get air conditioning (hot in summer). One of these days.

So Titebond Liquid Hide Glue is good? I will jump a jig if that is so. My hesitation is that I have read a number of negative reports about it not taking - any ageing issues you are aware of?

Regards from Perth

Derek

From my experience its fine, as long as you check it before use.

It has a shelf life problem. I've had to throw out 2 small bottles over say something like 4 years out of about 10 bottles. Just goes all hard in the bottle if you don't use it up in time. But thats partly my fault as I stored it with the lid open.

There is a use by date that gives you an idea of how long you've got, but it doesn't matter as theres a test to ensure its ok before you use it.

….test -> stick a bit on your thumb, and just tap the glue spot with your forefinger back and forth….. just keep it going and if the sticky mess between your fingers starts to go from its maple syrup like consistency to a white fairy floss like look (little hairs floating everywhere) then its OK to use. If it stays just like maple syrup its stuffed and it won't cure in your joints, which is the disaster that probably gives it a bad rep. (?)

So you just test it before use. wash the crap off your fingers. and use it. Its great in cold weather, because its open time is actually longer when its cold, which makes it a great relieving substitute, because Hot hide is the opposite in cold weather, which can do your head in. Well, my head in.

The whole glue choice situation is not easy I know…. Hope you have a win whatever you end up choosing.

thats just an opinion. I'm not a liquid hide glue expert. 2 cents worth.

Originally Posted by derekcohen

Jake, come on over. The beer is cold. The bloody shed is colder. My wife keeps telling me to get air conditioning (hot in summer). One of these days.

So Titebond Liquid Hide Glue is good? I will jump a jig if that is so. My hesitation is that I have read a number of negative reports about it not taking - any ageing issues you are aware of?

Regards from Perth

Derek

Derek

I had a similar concern re the issue of ageing for liquid hide glue and discussed this with Franklin, who advised that the date of expiry on the bottle is very conservative. I have used it up to 12 months beyond the date on the bottle without any problems.

Regards

Originally Posted by Basilg

Derek

I had a similar concern re the issue of ageing for liquid hide glue and discussed this with Franklin, who advised that the date of expiry on the bottle is very conservative. I have used it up to 12 months beyond the date on the bottle without any problems.

Regards

Hmm, I have often wondered how they preserve the bottled stuff. As anyone who uses pearl glue knows full well, it's a grand culture medium for bacteria & fungi once wet, and unless you are very careful with it, you get a pretty spectacular little 'garden' growing after a couple of days in the pot. So I looked up the manufacturer's safety data sheet (msds) to satisfy my curiosity, and this is how they do it:

SECTION 2 - COMPOSITION AND INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS
Hazardous Ingredients CAS Number Percent
ammonium thiocyanate 1762-95-4 8.30
dicyandiamide 461-58-5 3.70

I'm sure it's perfectly safe when used as directed, but I would strongly advise you don't lick the glue brush!

Cheers,

Here is my weekends work.


http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furnitu...BackPart1.html


Comments and critique always welcome - would you approach this differently? Would you prefer a different glue?


Regards from Perth


Derek

think its great that you chose Liquid hide.

I've heard that some are so strongly believing of hide, they even mark the underside of their chairs with some mark that indicates the use of it. The ultimate consideration for the guy who may have to repair it down the track.

And its good for you too I think. Should some joint play up (not suggesting anything to do with your craftsmanship. uno, just because thats the nature of wood) you can fix it yourself really easily. Especially that wagner design. Its a design with little detail. reshaping should it be needed will be easily disguised. imo

But then plenty will say ' who cares '. Saying that in reality the effort won't end up being put into repairing it anyway. The makings of another huge debate.

just an opinion. Just because I mentioned something that I thinks important about hide, doesn't mean I THINK I'm not an expert furniture restorer. 2 cents worth.

Hi Derek

good to see the progress, and especially pleasing that you abandoned the idea of using epoxy.

now to see the back and arms take shape and the leg to arm joints completed.

Great to see the progress Derek!!

You are a very patient man!!!

On the subject of glue, I haven't done any recent reading but I concur with your choice of hide glue.

We need to remember that this is a glue that has proven itself over centuries. PVA has been around for about sixty years and some of the earlier versions are, apparently, letting go. I have read that the earlier PVA type glues were not as strong as hide glue. The modern PVA types may well be a different kettle of fish

Here is the latest chapter: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furnitu...BackPart2.html


The woodwork is now complete. There are a lot of pictures summarising the steps taken from shaping the arms, to installing, finishing and oiling. Skip to the end if you want.


The next - and final - chapter will be on the weaving of the seat and final photos.


As always, comments, critique and suggestions welcomed.


Regards from Perth


Derek

Well, can't imagine why you did all that worrying along the way, Derek. It turned out to be a pretty painless job, after all (for we who watched!) A sterling effort - this is one piece of furniture that won't be thrown out lightly (in both senses of the word).

Now, on to its matching 5........

The matching five, Ian?

I got them out the way first to concentrate on this one

Regards from Perth

Derek

the near final line from Babe comes to mind "That'll do pig. That'll do"

I'm more than suitably impressed
now we just need to wait for weaving the seat


Say hello to Chris for me when you see him -- I missed saying hello to him at the Sydney show.

Beautiful Derek, Just beautiful, Ross

Well done, Derek, you are a truly giftedcraftsman and you are delivering some amazing woodwork. Well done, and many thanks for sharing