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11th May 2023, 09:03 AM #31
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11th May 2023, 09:30 AM #32GOLD MEMBER
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well, that's a nice thing to say. If I find anything interesting, it would end up around one way or another. It's a puzzling thing - the forums - what we all want. derek is a consensus builder and I guess I'm just trying to find things and differentiate (and sometimes going off when it seems like a long time consensus has been wrong). It'd be easy to make a comment about what forum population really likes, but it's oversimplifying. There's a spectrum of what people want to get (whether it's consensus or the challenge of finding out if you're right with the reward that if you're not, you can learn something).
I guess what caused me to respond to this in the first place is it was highlighted in the forum list and then I saw the comment about more or less where the majority vote was. Derek doesn't really need consensus - even if it was 10 to 1 in favor that he should do something to bolster the joint, I think he should glue it if he likes.
And I guess the warren comment tagged on because I didn't care for warren early on and thought maybe he was trolling. I noticed that if I posted something generally he would respond only if he thought it was wrong. That was about it. But I'm living in a glass house because I flood discussions with details that most people don't care about, so we're all kind of different. I think the implication that there needs to be consensus, though, or that we'd hope people would react a certain way to what we're talking about leads to folks not wanting to share or being afraid to post ponderings to solicit feedback for improvement.
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11th May 2023, 11:31 AM #33
The straight cuts were made using the same jig I showed in this thread . . . Help with mitre-key saw
I made the second jig (pictured) for doing the angled cuts with a thin washer inserted to set the distance from each side of the straight cut. Very quick and easy to use and, dare I say 'foolproof'! . . . which helps me a lot!
Angle-key-jig_01.jpgAngle-key-jig_02.jpg
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11th May 2023, 12:25 PM #34SENIOR MEMBER
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Vewy sneaky. Consider that idea stolen!
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11th May 2023, 03:52 PM #35GOLD MEMBER
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Me too. I just need to come up with a project that requires splines.
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11th May 2023, 04:01 PM #36
David, I do not see myself as a "consensus builder". Look at my record of documented builds - I post about methods after they are already completed. As in this thread, I post for discussion. I am interested in what others have to say, and what their reasoning is, as much as I assume that others are interested in what I have done, and why. Again, in this particular thread, I recognised that my approach to mitres will divide the group, but went ahead anyway. The point I want to make is that it is important to build a belief in oneself, and assert one's belief. This is a reason why I am quite often at odds with Warren and am possibly the only one to stand up to him. His dismissive manner undermines the confidence of forum members and they become afraid to challenge his methods.
Regards from Perth
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12th May 2023, 05:55 AM #37GOLD MEMBER
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I think Charlie probably fits that better. He offers nothing to anyone and fails to mention that his profession is accounting and tax preparation. I'm fairly sure warren feels like people will learn from what he says as I told him at one point I couldn't tell if he was a troll early on and he was highly offended (of course, I would tell him that again - it doesn't do anyone any good to withhold stuff like that). Todd Hughes' economic comment had some credibility, too, about the whole subject. I can't really gauge what unique people think about their contributions or how they're perceived. I know from my bluntness that when I've sprung on someone a summary of what other people have said in private (without telling them who or how many times I've heard the same thing), the reaction is often surprise and offense rather than contemplation.
I mention you're a consensus builder because it is clearly very important to you whether or not people agree and when someone questions what you're doing, you get upset about it rather than charged up. It's important to you how you're perceived and how your attempts to help are perceived. Your comment on here about finding more people agree with you is proof of that - it's not an accidental slip and was strong enough literally to trigger creating this topic and posting it across various platforms.
It's not my M.O, but we're different people. Maybe consensus builder isn't the right term, maybe it's seeking agreement. I went to school for math, so they're (verbally similar things) kind of the same to me aside from "developing consensus" suggests some is being made by the consensus builder vs. just checking for agreement (more passive).
For pieces like you're building, it doesn't matter, though. Not much of what I do matters (except to me), either, especially if someone else doesn't find it useful or if it's just a temporary new thing to try until the next temporary new thing to try. We're not moving the needle and 10 years after our last contribution, it'll evaporate. Can you remember the last momentum topic that's carrying on because someone who was a decent middle of the road builder posted about it in 2013? Bob Smalser gives way to Paul Sellers for better or worse.
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12th May 2023, 10:32 AM #38
David, I suggest that you are mixing up my woodworking with my day job of clinical psychologist. I am more inclined to react here to those who are inconsiderate of others.
Regards from Perth
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12th May 2023, 01:02 PM #39... and this too shall pass away ...
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I don't know Warren at all, and so won't offer a comment.
However, I will say that this forum has been a goldmine for me. So many people have gone out of their way to be helpful. When I first came here my skills were low. Since coming here my capabilities have taken off ... big time ... and only because so many folk have been generous with their skills and their time.
A thousand thanks to all of those who have helped me along the way.
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14th May 2023, 05:04 AM #41GOLD MEMBER
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I agree with your comment about forums. They sort of pointed me around until I finally found what I like to make and the pokes in the side now and again have illuminated to me where to look for information and how - far more than copying something trendy or current or reading lost art press posts or whatever else. I think Derek has a view about Warren, and it's not one that I share, and many others don't, so his comment about hushed tones is off the mark - it shows an inability to view things through someone else's lens or priorities.
the grouchy folks who still offer advice have something to offer us - the ones who do the negative criticism to feel good and offer nothing (there's one in the US who is at least 99% that - I think the reality is he has nothing to offer), i'm in agreement - no good. those with nothing to offer are few. they may not tell us what we want to hear the way we want to hear it, but if it's better than what we're doing, it's worth while. I see it as a bigger problem when some folks take it upon themselves to want to be the arbiter of what people do on forums or how they exchange information without any standing to do it.
That's always gone on and always will.
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14th May 2023, 10:17 AM #42
Pandora's Box indeed.
What is the main lesson of Pandora's Box?
Pandora's Box is a story about how evil came to exist in the world; in this Greek myth, evil came out of a box. The box did contain one good thing, however -- Hope. As the Brief Retelling tells it, "So now, when there is trouble and sadness among us humans, we have Hope to make us feel that tomorrow will be better."
Franklin
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14th May 2023, 10:42 AM #43Visit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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14th May 2023, 10:47 AM #44Visit www.inthewoodshop.com for tutorials on constructing handtools, handtool reviews, and my trials and tribulations with furniture builds.
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17th May 2023, 12:02 AM #45SENIOR MEMBER
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