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  1. #1
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    Default Slinging oil from chuck

    Hi guys.

    Nice to find this forum, been doing a lot of reading here and on Practical Machinist. I recently picked up a Hercus Model A, plain bearing, Serial 11011, that needed to be removed from work so I jumped at the opportunity to get my first metal lathe. It would have been "disposed of" as no one could be bothered to deal with it or move it so despite the fact its in pretty good condition it would have been tipped or scrapped. It was a relic from the times when we actually had a workshop and made scientific equipment in-house before people got lazy and just pay exorbitant prices for anything with "scientific" or "medical" attached to the name. Prices we pay for stuff is stupid. Anyway, a tangent.

    I had to do a full tear down as most of the oils and lubricants had turned to varnish and it was gummed up pretty bad from years of non-use. So I've done the full clean and re-lubed everything (done a lot of reading on correct oils etc, which sourcing them has been a nightmare) and set the spindle up correctly again to 0.001". The bearings looked "ok", not flawless to my untrained eye with perhaps some wear, the spindle is in good shape. When I picked it up with a bunch of other stuff with the lathe I found a mystery bottle of oil labelled "Machinery Oil". So guess this is what it spent it's life time drinking, which to me given the specs I've read looks to be a bit too heavy (thick) for the bearings. So it might actually be showing a little wear in the headstock despite the rest of the lathe being excellent, I can't vouch for it's oiling regime so have no idea how well it may or may not have been treated.

    Anyway, I've just got it going again and I lose a a bit of oil from the headstock which to an extent is normal as it's a total loss system. I think I may have been over filling the oil pots also, so might actually settle to having them only a 1/3 full as opposed to full to the brim. Anyone know exactly how full they should be? Obviously this related to the height of the oil reservoir beneath the spindle, over full and it just weeps out. Less than that and it should just be wicked to the spindle.

    But I get a bit of oil wicking to the chuck and flinging off. It makes a mess and throws oil over the back splash guard and me at the front. Is there any way I can stop this? The oil I'm now running is not ISO 22 but ISO 68 until I can find the proper weight oil, so thicker than spec but I imagine the thinner ISO 22 will weep more easily and make more of a mess? I'm thinking about trying to fit something between the head stock and chuck to stop oil migrating to the chuck and slinging off (with an oring slipped over the spindle, or build a perspex guard to catch the flinging oil). Just wonder if this is normal to have to put up with this or is this something I can get around?

    Time for a new cross-slide nut too and a gear repair on the cone pulley but I'll get there. So far learning to turn has been good fun and looking forward to playing around and building a few things.

    Thanks, HB

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    I wouldn't be getting too worried about the exact oil to be using.

    68 maybe a little heavy for the spindle,46 might be better.

    The 46 can also be used on the countershaft bearings,gearbox,carriage lead screw support bearing.

    I would look towards a chainsaw bar oil or chain lube for your gear train,these lubes won't be flung off as easily as normal oil.

    With regards to how much oil,I fill the top oil caps with oil and the side oil pots i fill under pressure until oil runs out of the bottom of the spindle.

    If i am using the lathe all day I will repeat this at least once.

    Normally the lathe is oiled prior to use.

    Not sure why the oil is making its way to your chuck etc and being flung off,are you sure that the spindle/bearing clearance is not excessive.

    When you stripped the spindle did you replace all the felts,if you didn't replace the felts did you clean them.

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    Thanks for the reply Pipeclay.

    Yeah, I'm not too hung up on the oils. I tried to see if I could get the right ones, its just I've realised how hard it is to get some variety of oils. I ended up with an ISO68 compressor oil for a range of places on the lathe (gearbox and apron), proper way oil for the ways, but am looking for a lighter one on the spindle and will still try to find ISO22.

    I'll recheck the spindle bearing clearances again. With regards to the felts, they were in good condition so I cleaned them in paint thinner and it pulled the oil and junk out of them and re-seated them. They came up to pretty much a cream colour and looked fit and seated back in with no issues. I don't think it has changed the properties or density of the felts but I guess that could be a possibility. Basically oil is migrating out of the front spindle bearing, onto the spindle shaft and ending up on the back of the chuck, where it then flings. I'll reassess.

    Thanks for the comments regarding the oil cups.

    I'll be rebuilding a new countershaft shaft and bearing arrangement as I suspect it was neglected with regards to frequent lubrication and it a little loose and weepy. The right one is ok but the left one (pull side which has the most load) is a bit flogged and loses its oil fast. Easy enough to replace and I might try some sealed cartridge bearings if I can find a suitable housing (tube) somewhere or just bore out the existing one and re-sleeve (but of course I need another lathe for that :P).

    Thanks for the comments.
    HB

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