Thread: Copy or inspired

no photo's red gum

can't pass comment till we have seen the proof

I have been trying to put photoes on this thing since I have been connected to it and it won't hapen. I'll try again

Why can't things be simple for the likes of me


Red Gum

Forget it I can't be bothered trying any more

Red Gum

Red gum

I know the sort of problem you mean, I tried doing things before now also.

Originally Posted by Red Gum

Forget it I can't be bothered trying any more

Red Gum

Each type attachment has a size limit. If the image file is too big, you won't be able to attach it, but from memory you won't get any sort of message. Check the size of the image file and cut it down if necessary, then you should be able to load it.

Posting Pictures to Your Post

If all else fails open a FREE account with Webshots or Imageshack, upload your photos there and then just put a link into your posts!

Or... shoot... should have thought of that yesterday - sorry...... just e-mail your pics and I'll post them for you

Juvy

Hi 'Frosty'

Don't ever concern yourself about whether you copy or not. After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Then there's inspiration, which we draw from all sources to create the original that is ours and ours alone. Remember one thing, 'great minds think alike' . Without a flow of ideas to work with, we would stagnate and produce nothing.

I'm delighted that you thought about using copper for the decoration. I smiled when I thought about the week I spent in Deni trying to source copper or brass to scroll for the flower. No joy there. Initially my ideas was to use a metal, and I'm really looking forward to seeing your effort. I'm the 'creative department' in our partnership and responsible for giving Dave a stream of nearly impossible ideas to put into practice. He's the technical department responsible for finding technical solutions to my harebrained ideas. Works for us!!

Dave didn't get to try metal exercises in his Scrollsaw exercise book, simply because we couldn't get materials to try out here.I know you have to be careful with brass composition, and only use what's known in the trade as 'half hard' or the blade will get gunked up if the combination of metals is wrong. But I thought copper should be a little easier to work with, and had Dave all prepared to get out the anvil and turn his shed into an Arts and Crafts workshop turning out hand beaten copper bits to scroll.

Believe it or not, couldn't even get some copper pipe offcuts in Deni. Keep punching!!
Get those pictures on the forum.

Cheers
Lili

Originally Posted by LiliB

Believe it or not, couldn't even get some copper pipe offcuts in Deni.

Have you tried the police station? Should be able to get some old copper there.

Sorry.

Hi Alex

Didn't see that one coming, stepped right into it. No old copper in sight here, the "thin blue line" is made up of pups, with the acting Duty Sgt usually having been school prefect.

Lili

I mostly agree with you Lili,
when we get patterns from a book or magazine it's fantastic to see what everyone comes up with... how we all make it totally our own by changing timber, thickness, size etc. On the other hand I do come up with some designs on my own, some things not found in books. Things I try to sell myself.... if people copy those I dont' find that flattering at all. It takes a pretty long time to come up with something new and to get it just right.... it's disheartening when someone takes that design and copies it exactly .... not even with an ounce of own inspiration.

I know we all go to shows and get inspiration, but when you see something at a show you go homem draw it up and chances are it's not going to be exactly the same, it'll have your own twist to it
... I've had people from our own club go as far as buy something from me, or ask me for a pattern to do for their grandkids... just to find they were selling these things on a market. Our club has a shop were all members can sell what they make. It's great... we look at everythign and do get inspiration, but most of us respect others and don't put identical things in the shop and I think that's as it should be.

One of our guys makes crosses and early on we came to an understanding... the one I designed myself I'll sell there... but any that he already scrolls I won't make even tho I do have the same books. It's just common curtesy I think.

Would really like to know how everyone else feels about this?

Juvy

Hi Juvy

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. As a student of history, I doubt many people have produced anything truly original. There is a degree of input from an individual mind, but our minds are made up of conscious and unconscious memories and experiences, and it is upon these things we draw. As a culture, we draw upon the past to create the present. It is a step upon step creation. Even the IT geeks haven't created their cyber worlds of fantasy without having to give some credit to Tolkien, and the other classic fantasy writers.

Unless you've created in an LSD induced trance, or are another Leonardo, there isn't much likelihood of anything any of us can do is totally original. For one thing, any craft, be it woodwork, painting, photography must be influenced by the techniques we learn and in the course of doing that, we integrate others' ideas into our own. Technique and subject matter are so closely linked, that I don't think you can have one without the other.

I think the only real protection against plagiarism is to make 'it' better than anyone else. Or perhaps you could mark your 'market jobs' Made by X after Juvy, like the artists do.

Copyright and intellectual property rights were never in such an uncertain state as now. But, I for one, will always subscribe to the thoughts of the lovely gent in England who makes his puzzle box patterns freely available to others, and says, if you can make a quid from it, good luck.

If anyone sees anything I have made, I'm happy enough for them to use ideas from it, if it helps their creativity.

Cheers
Lili

Think we do sort of agree Lili,
I don't mind people getting ideas..... I mind 100% copying..
and yes... I do sign and number my work.
I call it original if I have made my own drawing.... naturally I'm sure that all the things I have seen in my live, pictures, photos etc .... have influenced my thoughts/ideas. Thinking of it that way maybe you're right... there is no such thing as any real original thing anymore.

I also think the one big difference to how we feel about this is probably the reason we are making things to begin with. If we are doing things just for the fun of it, or if we have to try to make a living. I think that makes us a bit more protective of our work?

Juvy