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Thread: Questions about Hide Glue
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30th December 2008, 03:45 PM #46
You can make hide glue from virtually any fresh or dried hide. I've also cut up old velum deeds and documents to make glue (check that you're not cutting up some priceless archaic document if you try this. Solicitors' and land offices are good sources for obselete velum deeds etc.)
Place pieces of hairless hide/velum into a pan, cover with water and boil until it bloats up and begins releasing the colagen. Stir it occassionally and top-up with water as necessary to prevent burning the hide.
Pour off the thick glue when ready and squeeze every last remnant from the pieces of hide.
Filtering and further refinement will remove impurities and improve the glue.
Rabbit glue was traditionally used for making gesso (the white plaster base used in gilding and preparing artist's canvasses) and for gluing the canvass backing onto tambour doors as it was considered less prone to cracking than glue made from horse and cattle colagen..
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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30th December 2008, 04:20 PM #47
thanks for that,
I wonder how long before someone thinks about catskin glue
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30th December 2008, 06:15 PM #48
Hmmmmm! There's enough of the flea-ridden things around here to make a good 5 kg of glue. How about Roo Glue? Now there's a marketing oportunity for an enterprising person. I'll do you a deal on the name!
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I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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30th December 2008, 07:42 PM #49
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30th December 2008, 11:41 PM #50
ta.
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30th December 2008, 11:46 PM #51
Here's another link I just noticed.
http://www.deller.com/newpage8.htm
Says you can make hide glue insoluable by adding aluminium sulfate. Where could you buy that do you think ?
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30th December 2008, 11:52 PM #52
sorry about all the questions...
I've been told by a supplier that the hide glue he supplies is a grade recommended for instrument building. But he doesn't know exactly what grade it is. Wondering what grade that might be. 251, 192 ? or something like that. I mean, if its good enough for instrument building would it be good enough for furniture ? or should I go for something stronger.
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31st December 2008, 08:01 AM #53
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31st December 2008, 08:07 AM #54
If he 'doesn't know' what grade he sells, I would shop elsewhere. Someone in Australia must know what it is they're importing/selling. For all we know it could be low grade stuff imported from who knows where. Insist on a known quality.
The instrument makers may only be using it because it's all they can get their hands on too - it's no guarantee of quality..
I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure you realize that what you just read is not what I meant.
Regards, Woodwould.
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31st December 2008, 08:11 AM #55
thankyou kindly. appreciate the advice.
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31st December 2008, 11:48 AM #56
I have been stuck and used food grade gelatine from the supermarket. works well
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31st December 2008, 01:56 PM #57Jim
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this mob aren't cheap but.usually good quality
http://www.dick.biz/dick/category/di...224/detail.jsf
Jim
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31st December 2008, 03:08 PM #58
Something I decided to try this morning: I drilled a 1" hole in the lid (which I haven't been using), made up a new batch, checked the temperature with a meat thermometer I bought (65 degrees) and did a couple of glue ups. Then I came back a couple of hours later and removed the clamps and did another couple. There was very little skin on the glue and it seemed to not need any more water. The hole allows you to put the brush in without removing the lid. Tip I saw somewhere on one of those links.
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to."
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3rd July 2009, 10:57 AM #59
Hide glue bible published
I thought I would revive this thread to let people know that Stephen Shepherd has published his book on Hide Glue and that you can get it from Tools for Working Wood.
I got my copy last week and spent the train trips this week reading it. One tip that I got from Stephen was to put the glue in a glass jar and sit that in the glue pot - it keeps the glue much cleaner and means that you have a convenient storage container (with a tight-fitting lid) to put in the (beer) fridge so the glue can be reheated and reused.
There are heaps of interesting points that Stephen makes and even if you don't agree with everything he says, it is useful to have som much info on hide glue collected in one place.
PS I did a glue up this week using hide glue and it went very well, especially the use of the glass jar - the glue was much cleaner.Cheers
Jeremy
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