Thread: what do you think of titebond liquid hide glue ?

Originally Posted by orraloon

Rapsod,
I got the gelatin tip from archery books so it is as good as the better hide glues on the market
regards
John

Interesting. have you tried it to confirm that factoid?

I have used gelatin for cooking and didn't note that hide glue type smell. (When you spill a drop of HG on a hot plate you know all about it)

G.

Originally Posted by IanW

WW - you say liquid hide glue is probably as strong for all practical purposes as the regular brewed stuff, but I presume you are talking about a tight, well-fitted joint. What about its gap-filling ability? Not that we should be trying to fill gaps with glue, but nothing in this life is perfect......

Neither hot nor cold (liquid) HG should be relied on to fill gaps.

Interestingly, even the latest PVA glues are only 5-10% stronger than HG and polyurethane glues doesn't quite match the strength of HG.

Stanford University ran back to back tests of hot and cold HG and came to the conclusion that, at up to 50% RH, cold HG is actually stronger than hot HG. Thereafter, there's virtually no difference in strength between the two as long as the humidity doesn't exceed about 75% (for extended periods and only where there's tension or strain on the glued parts).

If you want to extend the open time of hot HG, you can add about 5-10% urea (available at Bunnies or any garden centre) by weight to freshly made glue. That's the basis of most brands of cold HG.

You can also make HG waterproof for outdoor use by adding about 1% aluminium sulphate. Don't use this for antique furniture though!

Originally Posted by gregoryq

Interesting. have you tried it to confirm that factoid?

I have used gelatin for cooking and didn't note that hide glue type smell. (When you spill a drop of HG on a hot plate you know all about it)

G.

I sure hope not, Greg!

Gelatin for cooking is cleaned up precisely to get rid of the offensive odours. Nevertheless, it is still essentially the same stuff as glue, i.e. collagen. So if you have a taste for stronger flavours, you could make a nice jelly tart from the Pearls.....

My workshop dog, a Fox Terrible (very recently deceased and sorely missed), had a penchant for horse sauce. When I glued up sets of chairs, I would set them on the floor for him to do the initial clean-up of surplus glue - a dog's tongue can get into all sorts of nooks and crannies!

As was his mother before him, he was very grateful of any two day old left over glue to suppliment his dinner. His successor is now in training for the same cleaning-up tasks.

Originally Posted by Woodwould

....As was his mother before him, he was very grateful of any two day old left over glue to suppliment his dinner. His successor is now in training for the same cleaning-up tasks.

A man's best friend!

Looks like my mini Dachsy has a new role in life.......

Cheers,

Originally Posted by IanW

I sure hope not, Greg!

Gelatin for cooking is cleaned up precisely to get rid of the offensive odours. Nevertheless, it is still essentially the same stuff as glue, i.e. collagen. So if you have a taste for stronger flavours, you could make a nice jelly tart from the Pearls.....

Mmmmmmm! Now that's a taste that I can do without. I imagine that the dogs would like it though, as WW mentioned. What is it with dogs and that stuff? Same with horse hooves. Every time I watched a horse being shod there would be a barn dog ready to dart in for the clippings.

Greg

Originally Posted by gregoryq

....... What is it with dogs and that stuff? Same with horse hooves. Every time I watched a horse being shod there would be a barn dog ready to dart in for the clippings. Greg

There's no accounting for taste! My dog relishes horse turds. He also likes to roll in them - what a pong!

And these creatures' sense of smell is something like a million times more sensitive than ours.

Cheers,

I have just ordered a large leg wax pot from the local hairdresser (well, I sent SWMBO down to do it). $69 on special. Thank you for the tip

Originally Posted by IanW

There's no accounting for taste! My dog relishes horse turds. He also likes to roll in them - what a pong!

And these creatures' sense of smell is something like a million times more sensitive than ours.

Cheers,

One of our terriers started picking up horse scones on her walks, but Herself disuaded the practice - until I was told of it. Now the terrier brings one home every morning and evening and our garden is much the better for it!

Originally Posted by silentC

I have just ordered a large leg wax pot from the local hairdresser (well, I sent SWMBO down to do it). $69 on special. Thank you for the tip

Silent - just a tip, don't follow the instructions to turn it up full whack to "get it up to temperature" like I did. I can't for the life of me fathom why I read the damned instructions - something I almost NEVER do - but maybe it was the unfamiliarity of this particular bit of equipment! So after soaking my brew, I set it at max & went about my business in the shed - when I looked at the pot about 5 minutes later to see what was happening, it was starting to boil at the edges. Not good for HG! So now I leave it at the setting I worked out that just brings it to the right temperature (judged from what I'm used to with the old double-boiler gluepot, one of these days I'll pinch the cooking thermometer when SWMBO isn't looking & test it). I usually make very small batches, & it doesn't take very long to warm up to the useable stage.

So you sent the other half to the hairdresser, eh? Hah, you wus, you - I went to a hairdressers' wholesale place to get mine all by myself. The young things who served me were very helpful, but looked a bit askance when I told them what I was going to do with it.

Cheers,

Originally Posted by Woodwould

One of our terriers started picking up horse scones on her walks, but Herself disuaded the practice - until I was told of it. Now the terrier brings one home every morning and evening and our garden is much the better for it!

Yup, dogs & roses both love the stuff, it seems.....

So you sent the other half to the hairdresser, eh?

It gave her something to do On her way to work that is

Temperature-wise I figure I'll just start off at the cool end and work my way up. I suppose I'd better put in an order for some pearls.... The wife will start to worry about me (or get suspicious) about these purchases. Leg waxer, pearls, what next?

Originally Posted by silentC

It gave her something to do On her way to work that is

Temperature-wise I figure I'll just start off at the cool end and work my way up. I suppose I'd better put in an order for some pearls.... The wife will start to worry about me (or get suspicious) about these purchases. Leg waxer, pearls, what next?

Yeah - if you don't have a thermometer, 60 degrees is just a bit hotter than you can stand to put your pinky in (about an average hot water system output temp?). After a bit you just rely on the consistency of the brew to know when it's up to temp.- 'tisn't that critical, as long as you don't go much over 60, which denatures the proteins a little too severely.

WRT tht pearls: My first attempt to buy a waxpot was in a place in a shopping mall advertising beauty supplies. A very nice young man minced out & started extolling the virtues of their double pot, & started educating me on the properties of all the different waxes & which hairs they were good for - it seems you have waxes for light days & heavy days...... When I told him I wanted just a single pot to heat glue in, he went quite strange & looked at me in such a pitying way, I mumbled something & slunk out of the shop. I didn't like the look of the flimsy thing, anyway - it didn't look like it would survive even one trip to the workshop floor (not that I'm intending to chuck pots og glue around, but in the heat of a hectic glue-ip, things happen!).

Avagoodone,

I've got a photographic thermometer but it only goes up to 40. So when the top shoots off that, we should be right

It's funny that they don't bat an eyelid when they think you're buying it to wax your legs, but as soon as you say it's for glue, they go all strange. Not quite like that here in the country. The missus told them what it was for straight up and they acted as though they're asked about it every day of the week.