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Thread: CMT vs Hitachi
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26th November 2004, 11:09 PM #1New Member
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CMT vs Hitachi
Gentle Readers,
Please forgive the formality. This is my first post.
I, like many others, in this forum am in the process of evaluating a new router. I need a heavier,quality, general purpose hand held router. Capable of withstanding site work, including knocks during transportation. I need to balance capabilty, longevity, physical size and weight against cost. Furthermore I need to be able to manage repairs.
I was looking at the Hitachi MV12 but made the mistake of checking the Carbatect pages only to find out the CMT unit is now in same price range.
Is this router a clone of the ELU-??? or a rebadged item? Has anyone any experience with this particular unit? Has anyone had to get one repaired and what was the turnaround time?
In short I am trying to find out what the track record of this model is.
I would greatly appreciate any, and all, input on this
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26th November 2004, 11:21 PM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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I have the Dewalt 625 which is identicle to the CMT - even made in Italy, probably in the same factory. Great router! But I am only a keen hobbyist and cant comment about the rigors of tradesman use - though I must say it appears to be exceptionally well built.
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27th November 2004, 08:09 AM #3
Whilst I am unable to comment on the CMT I can assure you that the Hitachi is pretty much bullet proof.
Had mine for close on 25 years now and still going strong.
has a few the same vintage which have worked harder than mine and his are also going strong.Stupidity kills. Absolute stupidity kills absolutely.
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27th November 2004, 10:46 PM #4New Member
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Thanks for the feedback. I've run across several Dewalt items in the past with mixed reviews. (Drill Drivers, Circular Saws, and lot of SCMS's) Some swear by them while others swear at them. From my personal and highly subjective viewpoint the only consistant objection I could make against Dewalt products is the colour scheme is far too attractive for the sticky-fingered. Not a heck of a lot to base one's bias upon but there you go.
One of the advantages of the CMT unit is the brand is unknown and is unlikely to be pinched, in preferance to the other items, from my van. If the unit is a badge-engineered version of the Dewalt 625 then additional bits'n'pieces should not be a problem. Which gives a great big fat tick to the capabilities column.
Again, thanks for your input. It is appreciated
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27th November 2004, 11:23 PM #5
Put me down one for the Hitachi.
Very happy with mine.
Cheers......Sean
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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28th November 2004, 10:27 PM #6Senior Member
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hitachi is bulletproof. collars sometimes bind but worth the money. CMT has considerably better depth adjustment.
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29th November 2004, 03:39 AM #7
LCS
The pictures I have seen of the CMT (in the Carba-tec catalogue) appear to be identical to my Elu 177e router. The Elu has long been considered the benchmark against which all other routers are judged. I'm not sure how objective this is since it is a oldish design now (I have had mine at least 10 years), but it does work superbly, has all the features of the most up-to-date designs, plenty of power and is just as good handheld or in a table. At the time I bought it I chose it over the big Festo (the Elu was just smoother and more comfortable to use), the Hitachi (too noisy), and the Makita (just not in the same class). When Elu became a subsidory of Black and Decker, the 177e was marketed under the deWalt brand (as the 625), and I am not sure if it is manufactured by them any more. I suppose if I were CMT, as a major router bit manufacturer, and looking to market an own brand router, this is one of the designs I would consider.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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29th November 2004, 12:06 PM #8
no $hit - get the triton TR12. better than the rest by a long margin and the right price. take it from me - a triton basher from way back - converted. beats the elu & hitachi by a country mile. AND you support Australian business too !
Zed
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29th November 2004, 10:13 PM #9New Member
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With regards to the similarities to the Elu-177e router. Having remembered debates in the smoko room many years ago this paticular router got a pretty good rap in terms of the plunge depth, adjustment, handling etc. Things that just were not on the market at the time, or they could well have been but what would an apprentice know. When I enquired about the CMT unit the saleman told me "blah, blah, blah, Elu-177, blah blah" which caught the EAR and jogged some remaining memory.
My inquiries thus far show this unit, the CMT, appears to be closely related to the Dewalt 625. Hence aftermaket items should be available that suit. Spare parts, such as brushes, may be readily transferrable between the models which is something I will have to check.
With respect to Hitachi. Great gear right across the range. I've never had any issues with capabilities nor reliability. Those I have broken have been able to be repaired without having to wait 3 months for parts. Great little SCMS's
All I am doing with regards to the CMT router is a basic SWOT. Looking for the strenths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. In this case I am assessing the risks involved with a brand unknown to me for their electrical equipment.
So again. Thanks to all for your comments and advice. It is greatly appreciated.
L.C.S.
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30th November 2004, 01:08 AM #10
G'day.
Hitachi.....
There has been a poll on this board, check it out.
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com...hlight=HitachiCliff.
If you find a post of mine that is missing a pic that you'd like to see, let me know & I'll see if I can find a copy.
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30th November 2004, 09:27 PM #11New Member
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The issue has been settled, the Hitachi got the nod. Basically it came down to the 3 main points.
The reality check. IE - "For christ sake it's a $500 router not a friggin combination saw"
The Devil one already knows
And the recently acquired knowledge that parts are not always available.
Again thanks for every ones patience and input
L.C.S.
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30th November 2004, 10:17 PM #12
Come on LCS, don't wimp out now. The Hitachi!! Good Grief!!! Just because 60% of this Forum voted for it doesn't make them right. Be an individualist - vote the CMT, even if you're the only guy in Oz to have one. Think of the parts situation - no one else wants them so there will be more for you! I just don't know about the poll business - my Elu wasn't even on the list, so I had to vote for GMC (actually I voted for Porter Cable, but I didn't have one either). So who are you to believe, your instinct or your reason?!
Regards from Perth
Derek
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30th November 2004, 10:27 PM #13Originally Posted by derekcohen
Lets be honest if you were CMT, one of the best if not THE best router bit manufacturers in the world, would you sell a router that was a load of trash??
Go with the CMT youŽll not be dissapointed