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    Thanks Roy and Ratbag for the perfect timing of this thread and the information contained. Only yesterday I started making my own router table and was wondering how I am going to get height adjustment and if I can utilize either of the two routers I have.

    I'll hang off for a bit but until your questions are answered Roy but it looks like the Baladonia and the DeWalt will be a suitable combination for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyG View Post
    Whatever I end up buying will fit into a new Router Table that I'll start building next week. The new Router Table will be roughly based on the New Yankee Workshop design that seems to have been fairly widely copied. I haven't make a decision regarding a fence yet - I'll probably use my old fence until the bank balance recovers, then think about an Incra Fence.

    So, some questions for the forum ...


    1. Are there any other Router Lifts that are sold in Australia, and that offer above table bit change, that I should be considering ?
    2. Can anyone who has had experience with the above Router Lifts (or other model lifts made by these manufacturers) provide any sort of review of these items ?


    Looking forward to receiving everyone's input.

    Regards,

    Roy
    I'm moving overseas in a few weeks and will be selling my router setup. Woodpecker phenolic table, Woodpecker superfence, Woodpecker Unilift, Big Triton, Wixey Gage. Mounted on a home made cabinet.

    It's messy at the moment because I'm making shipping boxes for some oil paintings, and I don't want to disturb the finger jointing jig.

    If you're interested let me know.
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    Default More Information On The Bench Standard Router Lift

    I sent an email to Bench Standard over the weekend and got an answer today .......

    1) What is the thickness of the Router Plate ?

    The top mounting plate itself is 6mm aluminium.

    2) What method is included with the router for levelling the Router Plate in the table ? (I will be using my own shop made table.)

    There are grub screws that can level the lift with your table on the rebated edge that the plate rests on. From memory there are six leveling holes for the grub screws with two holes that are used to fix the plate down to the top. You would need to install some insert nuts in your table to screw the locking (sic hold-down) screws in place.

    3) What sort of sealing is used on the bearings and gearboxes to prevent ingress of wood dust ?

    All bearings are fully-sealed. The winding nut mechanism itself is not sealed so that they are self-cleaning as long as you keep the threaded posts clean and lubricated and this provides an easy method of cleaning out the threads for long life.

    4) What is the warranty on the Router Lift ?

    There is a five-year warranty on the lift and all router table components.

    5) A few woodworkers that I've talked to who have more experience with router lifts than myself, say that with this style of Router Lift (i.e. one designed to accept plunge routers) that "you loose some plunge depth". Does this statement have any truth ?

    Yes it does Ė the nature of how theyíre designed means you always lose depth. You generally lose around 1/2in of cutting height.

    6) Will I get above table bit changes with all the brands of routers that you list on your web site as being compatible with this Router Lift ?

    You wonít get any above table bit changes. Because of the issue as listed above in #5 this is a problem generally with router lifts and plunge routers. Apart from round-body router motors that fit in a different type of cradle, you wonít get above-table changes from another router lift that Iím aware of apart from Tritonís router/router table integrated system. To overcome this you can look at using a router collet extension. I am not sure if this would help?


    So that's the answers that I got back from Bench Standard. All good information. Unfortunately, I forgot to ask them where the Router Lift was manufactured, but that question is not one that is of high concern to me at the moment.

    I was advised today by the Electricity Company rep who is handling the compensation payout for the damage caused by the power surge, that they will be replacing the Triton TRA-001 with a new item. They only pay out a replacement value cheque for those damaged items that are no longer current models.

    So, I will have a new TRA-001 to use if I decide to go with the Bench Standard Router Lift. So, as I already own a TRA-001, the Bench Standard Router Lift is still rating pretty highly for me.

    That's the latest info.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glennet View Post
    I'm moving overseas in a few weeks and will be selling my router setup. Woodpecker phenolic table, Woodpecker superfence, Woodpecker Unilift, Big Triton, Wixey Gage. Mounted on a home made cabinet.

    It's messy at the moment because I'm making shipping boxes for some oil paintings, and I don't want to disturb the finger jointing jig.

    If you're interested let me know.
    I think that just about qualifies as spam, and should have been done by PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyG View Post
    Unfortunately, I forgot to ask them where the Router Lift was manufactured, but that question is not one that is of high concern to me at the moment. I was advised today by the Electricity Company rep who is handling the compensation payout for the damage caused by the power surge, that they will be replacing the Triton TRA-001 with a new item. They only pay out a replacement value cheque for those damaged items that are no longer current models.
    You could send "HagueH" a PM - he's a member here, and they have their very own sponsor's sub-forum. Maybe he'd like to participate in this thread? Re the replacement Triton: I'd be arguing that the current Triton's don't have a good reputation for reliability since the company was sold a couple times over the last few years. Sounds like the policy is "replacement value" and as such I'd say "ok, if you can get me a new one from that production run - so that it really is a true replacement - I'll take it. Otherwise send me a cheque".
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    Did you end up getting any of these?

    I'm looking down the same path right now that you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamalsabet View Post
    Did you end up getting any of these?

    I'm looking down the same path right now that you are.
    I spent a lot of time evaluating these Router Lifts. My first preference at the end was the Incra Woodpecker PRL V2 Router Lift. My biggest concern was that the Router Motor units that are included/required for these types of Router Lifts (the Woodpecker, and the JessEM), are 1800 watt (2.4HP) which seemed a bit low powered for use with big router bits like Panel Raising bits, and so forth. It seems that more powerful 240 volt router motors that will fit these router lifts are not available in Australia. I held off making a decision until I could get some more info.

    I am sort of following up on a suggestion from someone in the CNC sub-forum who suggested that I might be able to use a 3 HP CNC Router Spindle in one of these router lifts, but to do that I'd need the additional electronics to control the motor spindle, and I'm not sure what else I'd need, or whether the spindle would actually fit the router lift.

    I eventually got to test run a Woodpecker router lift, with the same 1800 watt motor, at a friend's place in Brisbane. The Woodpecker router lift is a very nice bit of engineering, and it works well. The 1800 watt router motor has ample power - provided that you are using smaller bits. For example, the 1800 watt motor handled smaller router bits such as 1/2" round-overs and 1/2" coves easily. I watched the owner use a 3/4" spiral down-cut bit to cut 6mm deep rebates in ply, and the motor speed held steady during those cuts.

    When it came to driving a large panel raising bit, the 1800 watt motor definitely struggled, often loosing speed. My old 2400 watt Triton router would handle a big panel raising bit by doing the cut in two passes - first cut removed about 70/80% of the waste, and the second cut is a finishing cut to cleanly remove the last of the waste. The 1800 watt router motor needed three passes to do the same cut, using the same router bit, in the same timber species. Even at three passes, the 1800 watt router motor struggled to maintain speed, and as a result you were continually backing off on your feed speed, which in turn caused burn marks on the wood. The owner doesn't use really large router bits, so the 1800 watt motor is adequate for him. For my needs, I decided that the 1800 watt motor was not adequate.

    In the mean time my damaged Triton TRA-001 was been replaced by the insurance company with a new unit (see first post in this thread if you really want to know why it was replaced). Only time will tell if the replacement TRA-001 is as reliable and solid as my old TRA-001. I've given the new router a hammering over the last few weeks, and so far it has performed flawlessly.
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    The next project will be to build a "New Yankee Workshop" style router table, something like the one in the photo on the left. I will use the TRA-001 router in it, along with a plain (non-lift) router plate, which will be a Woodpecker TLR cast Aluminum router plate, as shown on the right.

    I will utilise the Triton TRA-001 router's above table height adjustment, so a router lift will not be necessary with that router. I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that the above table height adjustment on my old TRA-001's had been a bit course and not easy to make fine adjustments. The new TRA-001 seems to have a finer thread on the height adjustment, as the above table height adjustment requires more turns for a given height adjustment, and is now much easier to make fine adjustments with, and moves much more smoothly.

    I haven't decided yet whether to buy a commercially made router table fence for the new router table, or to make my own. The decision will probably come down to how much fruit is on the money tree this year.





    Sorry I was a bit tardy in updating this thread - I sort of got side tracked by other projects.

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    Roy, I use an old slightly modified Holden screw jack to lift my router. Works a treat and cost nothing.

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    Don't waste your money on any kind of router lift for use with the Triton TRA001 - it's not necessary and has downsides as well. Firstly, you will lose the ability to change bits above the table, unless (and I do NOT recommend this) you fit an extension chuck. Secondly, you will lose cutting height.

    The Triton fine adjuster is absolutely fine for accurate adjustment, provided you follow some simple rules.

    Firstly, REMOVE THE PLUNGE SPRING. This is a simple task and both the spring and the spring cap can be left off for inverted use. Leaving the cap off allows dust and debris to fall straight through, reducing the risk of clogging the winding gear, particularly with MDF dust. Use the winding handle built into the right-hand grip to raise the router to just above the required height.

    Now use the fine-adjusting knob to ease the router down to the required depth. Once reached, secure with the thumb lock. If you want belt-and-braces, release the plunge spring bar and lock that too - but don't forget to release either or both before attempting to change height or change bits.

    I have used this process for more years than I care to remember, without any problems whatsoever, plus the cost of a router lift is both exorbitant, un-necessary and far better spent on good quality cutters.

    Ray

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    Gidday all.
    I don't know if this would help all Router Lifter requirements but as I am in the process (taking forever) of upgrading my shed with a small extension and uplifted roof to stop rain pouring in I am modifying tools as I go along, when I run out of ideas, so I have about 10 projects on the go at a time.
    As to the router lift fitted to my Jet tablesaw extension I have modified the Bosch router itself and it works like a bought one.
    I took off the height setting turret and drilled an 8mm hole though where the turret had been, where the top of the height adjustment threaded rod extended up to the router itself I fixed an 8mm nut to the housing with Plasti-bond.
    I had a mate braze a hex-head bolt head to one end of a 120mm length of threaded 8mm rod. This rod is then treaded through the plastic-bonded nut and extended through the 8mm drilled hole where the turret had been, with the router inverted and the base plate taken off the hex head fits into the lift hole in the insert plate, 1mm below the top surface.
    With no bulky lift housing, just an 8mm rod to do the lifting I think I am on a winner, I never used the turret anyway and I still have the micro-adjustment on the other side of the router although will probably never take the router off the table as I have access to a nice big Makita for hand held work. The Bosch could all be put back together again if necessary.
    To lift the router I pace a hex drive over the hex screw head and wind it up at great speed with a battery operated drill or for really fine adjustment I have modified a hex drive onto a small hand crank. All works a treat, smooth as silk and cost about $3 for the threaded rod.
    Sorry about the lack of pictures, I haven't worked that one out yet but will try at some time.
    Now on to the cyclone, router fence and dust piping
    Ciao Mike

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    Hi Crowie, I will have a look at trying to post a few pictures, if not tonight probably Monday afternoon, I have a couple of photos but I'll try for some better ones, just not sure how to upload photos to the forum
    Mike

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    Hi All

    A very interesting topic here are my thoughts;

    1/ There isn't an Australian made router lift AFAIK.
    2/ The Incra Mast-R-Lift hasn't been mentioned, this is manufactured by Jessem to Incra's specifications and allows the use of the MagnaLock rings including the Cleansweep versions.
    3/ We haven't heard any bad reports about the current TRA001 router apart from spare part supply issues a fair while ago.
    4/ The 1800 watt AUK tools router and the Swisstec have ample 'grunt' for most applications. If large bit panel raising is more than 10% of your use then use a bigger router.

    I hope this helps?

    Regards

    Grahame

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