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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhutt View Post
     10 Best Router Bits – [Reviews & Guide] - Updated Mar 2021

    I was pleased to see MLCS rated well as a starter kit (if the OP is looking for a boxed set) and my own experience with their individual bits has always been positive. I guess it comes down to a choice between performance/safety and price.
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    Pete, I don't know where you think the MLCS bits are made, but I can assure you they're made in China. If you're in any doubt about this have a look at this page - Router Bits, Woodworking Supplies, Woodworking Tools - EagleAmerica.com

    The 'review' that you've linked to is not a review at all, it's a guide as to what can be bought for users particular routing requirements. The sets selected for 'review' are a mish-mash of widely varying contents, what is the point of comparing a Whiteside 7 piece starter set to a Yonico 70 piece set and a Freud tounge and groove set. On top of this there isn't a single negative comment about the quality of any of the bits. It should be noted that there is a link to Amazon for all of the sets 'reviewed'. If one were cynical they might wonder whether the whole purpose of the 'review' was to assist Amazon to sell router bits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldav View Post
    Pete, I don't know where you think the MLCS bits are made, but I can assure you they're made in China. If you're in any doubt about this have a look at this page - Router Bits, Woodworking Supplies, Woodworking Tools - EagleAmerica.com

    The 'review' that you've linked to is not a review at all, it's a guide as to what can be bought for users particular routing requirements. The sets selected for 'review' are a mish-mash of widely varying contents, what is the point of comparing a Whiteside 7 piece starter set to a Yonico 70 piece set and a Freud tounge and groove set. On top of this there isn't a single negative comment about the quality of any of the bits. It should be noted that there is a link to Amazon for all of the sets 'reviewed'. If one were cynical they might wonder whether the whole purpose of the 'review' was to assist Amazon to sell router bits.
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    I take your point absolutely. We are comparing apples and oranges. It is tempting to say the primary beneficiary is Amazon!

    It would be interesting to compare just a few selected bits that are typically used. Maybe:

    Straight bit
    Rounding Over bit
    Chamfer bit
    Flush Trim bit

    I have deliberately not gone into the likes of the joinery type bits that tend to have higher prices such as rail and stile and TGV etc.

    Perhaps somebody has already done this somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    Yes it's quite difficult. My cellphone is a Samsung - which I assume is made in Korea (I didn't buy it so didn't research its source) ...
    "... As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations .... 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in South Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China...."
    http://www.mobilecellphonerepairing.com/samsung-mobile-phone-manufacturing-company.html

    ... otherwise my next one will have to be a Nokia (unless they're now manufactured in China too ). Even then many of the components will be made in China.....
    Nokia - ...“We are the only European brand in the telecom ecosystem and we are proud of our Finnish heritage.” He added: “While our phones are designed in Finland, 100 percent of our devices are made in India.”...
    https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/mobile-tabs/finnish-origin-hmd-global-reminds-india-all-nokia-phones-made-locally/

    But it may be different next month!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodhutt View Post
    ... I'm much of the same opinion as Vann when it comes to Chinese manufactured goods but my objection is more to do with quality and safety rather than any ethical concerns. Even brands manufactured in China under license and where you would expect the OEM to exercise some quality control in order to protect their reputation doesn't inspire confidence (think Fonterra, the NZ milk powder producer who opened a plant in China only to have the product deliberately contaminated in order to increase the volume).
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    I also tend to agree.

    Some western OEM's are very good at maintaining or even improving quality standards with Chinese manufactured products. Think Apple and Mercedes Benz.

    Some western companies are far less successful at doing so, and actually appear to be deliberately buying crap products. Think BigChains - any of them.

    I was in China two years ago and saw very high quality Chinese made woodworking hand tools and electrical tools. Do not ask more as I cannot read Chinese. When those products are released in the west then brands like Makita and de Walt tradesman lines, Festool and Mirka will have direct competitors with a far lower cost base.

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    China builds to a price, they're perfectly capable of making extremely high quality if they want to.

    I bought a Chinese mechanical skeleton watch 8 years ago; it's never been serviced since then and it's still the most accurate mechanical watch I own, including several Swiss and Japanese movements, holding 5 seconds/day. That's COSC (Swiss chronometer certification standard) level accuracy for $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldav View Post
    Pete, I don't know where you think the MLCS bits are made, but I can assure you they're made in China. If you're in any doubt about this have a look at this page - Router Bits, Woodworking Supplies, Woodworking Tools - EagleAmerica.com

    The 'review' that you've linked to is not a review at all, it's a guide as to what can be bought for users particular routing requirements. The sets selected for 'review' are a mish-mash of widely varying contents, what is the point of comparing a Whiteside 7 piece starter set to a Yonico 70 piece set and a Freud tounge and groove set. On top of this there isn't a single negative comment about the quality of any of the bits. It should be noted that there is a link to Amazon for all of the sets 'reviewed'. If one were cynical they might wonder whether the whole purpose of the 'review' was to assist Amazon to sell router bits.
    Thanks for that Dave. I was aware that the MLCS bits came from Taiwan but assumed (given personal experience of the bits) a more rigorous quality control than one might expect from its larger neighbour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldav View Post
    Pete, I don't know where you think the MLCS bits are made, but I can assure you they're made in China. If you're in any doubt about this have a look at this page - Router Bits, Woodworking Supplies, Woodworking Tools - EagleAmerica.com

    The 'review' that you've linked to is not a review at all, it's a guide as to what can be bought for users particular routing requirements. The sets selected for 'review' are a mish-mash of widely varying contents, what is the point of comparing a Whiteside 7 piece starter set to a Yonico 70 piece set and a Freud tounge and groove set. On top of this there isn't a single negative comment about the quality of any of the bits. It should be noted that there is a link to Amazon for all of the sets 'reviewed'. If one were cynical they might wonder whether the whole purpose of the 'review' was to assist Amazon to sell router bits.
    Thanks for that Dave. I was aware that the MLCS bits came from Taiwan but assumed (given personal experience of the bits) a more rigorous quality control than one might expect from its larger neighbour.

    As to the 'review', well, now I can see why I'm a target for on-line scammers or, as my old Dad would have put it, "You'll stand for the three-card trick."

    I have to say though that I'm still not convinced enough to buy bits on-line with brand names I've not heard of simply because of price. I guess I'll just have to keep paying through the nose for my peace of mind.
    Pete

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    While talking about economics of cutting tools. I’ve found these Router Cutter Bits and Accessories Online in Australia - DIMAR. To be very very good. They cost on average about $100 initially, but, you get two cutting edges with the turn over knives system. So you’re effectively buying two cutters. Also, the replacement cutting inserts are about $4 each, on average, so they are cheaper,and quicker, than a traditional router bit which has to be sent away to be sharpened, at an average cost of $20 per time. They do profiled shaped cutter inserts too, for production type volume work.


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    Damn these ipad things I need lessons on how to paste links, anyway, they are a solid cutter with a replaceable insert system, using a small torx head screw. Quick and simple and very cost effective.

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    +1 for Dimar

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraemeCook View Post
    "... As of 2019, Samsung has its mobile phone manufacturing factories at 6 locations .... 50% of Samsung mobile phones are made in Vietnam and 8% in South Korea. Rest is manufactured in India, Brazil, Indonesia and China...."
    http://www.mobilecellphonerepairing.com/samsung-mobile-phone-manufacturing-company.html

    Nokia - ...“We are the only European brand in the telecom ecosystem and we are proud of our Finnish heritage.” He added: “While our phones are designed in Finland, 100 percent of our devices are made in India.”...
    https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/mobile-tabs/finnish-origin-hmd-global-reminds-india-all-nokia-phones-made-locally/

    But it may be different next month!
    Lucky for me I don't have a problem with India, Vietnam and Brazil. Not so happy with Indonesia (again - human rights abuses).

    I didn't want a cellphone in the first place, but after the Christchurch earthquakes in 2010/11 my wife insisted I carry one (which actually stays in my locker when I'm at work). When I retire at the end of the year I'll be able to go back to not having one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    When I retire at the end of the year I'll be able to go back to not having one...
    Welcome to the club. I've got a mobile (the wife's cast off) but it's usually lying around home somewhere with a flat battery. It's a great luxury to be uncontactable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vann View Post
    .... I didn't want a cellphone in the first place.... When I retire at the end of the year I'll be able to go back to not having one...

    Cheers, Vann.

    When I retired they said "You may as well keep your phone....". After three months I realised I was still getting mainly work calls; so I got rid of it.

    Now, people continuously tell me that I must have a mobile. I just say "Why?" and they look rather perplexed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraemeCook View Post
    When I retired they said "You may as well keep your phone....". After three months I realised I was still getting mainly work calls; so I got rid of it.

    Now, people continuously tell me that I must have a mobile. I just say "Why?" and they look rather perplexed.
    I don't use a mobile phone. I have a phone, but it last had credit before the Corona Virus hit. I use it once a year perhaps and buy ten days credit. This is because SWMBO wants to be able to contact me when I am away from home. Each time I put credit on the phone I have to obtain a new number as the old number has been cancelled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    .... I am a fully paid up member of the Luddite Society or would be if it existed.
    Me, too, except for the bit about paying for membership....

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