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13th June 2013, 09:26 AM #16
I just stumbled upon this thread. I will be watching it closely as this is a project I have in mind for some time in the not too distant future. Thanks to all who have made suggestions, especially suitable routers because thinking about that is about as far as I have gotten so far. You guys are way ahead of me on research so far but if I have anything to contribute to the discussion as it unfolds I will certainly put it on the table. Thanks to Scott for starting the discussion. Woodgears.ca has been consuming a lot of my time lately.
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DougI got sick of sitting around doing nothing - so I took up meditation.
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15th June 2013, 12:25 AM #17
I bought a router
As I said in my previous post I am looking at making the pantorouter, but I am doing the woodgears.ca router pantograph first.
I downloaded the plans for the router pantograph today and as we know he made it for the Bosch Colt router which is 550 watts. He says in the plans I got today for the router pantograph that he has also used the Bosch Colt in the Pantorouter and successfully done mortise and tennon joints.
The router I bought today is the Makita RT0700C, which is a 710 watt machine, so it should be able to do what the Bosch Colt can do and more, and is more compact. It has a diameter of 65mm which is the size of the second circle that Matthias draws on the plans, just inside the one for the Bosch Colt. so the plans are ready to go without any modifications necessary.
The upshot is that the Makita RT0700C should (fingers crossed) be ideal for the router pantograph and when I build the Pantorouter I can make a mount for it from the plans and if it turns out that I need a bigger router for some pantorouting applications I can find one and make another mount for it.
I would be happier with a router that can take a 1/2" bit, not so much for the router pantograph, but particularly for the pantorouter, but at least I will have something I can use while seeking a larger model.
I am well aware that someone mentioned an Ozito router that was cheaper and rated at a higher wattage than the Makita that I bought. I have bought a small number of Ozito products over the years and there is currently not one of them in my workshop; some parts can be recycled, others go to landfill .
On the other hand EVERY Makita tool I have ever bought is still serving me well, including a 3600BR router which has served me faithfully for more than 20 years. I paid $165 for the RT0700C. You can feel the quality when you hold it in your hand. The Makita is also half the weight of the Ozito so that also rules the Ozito out for the router pantograph anyway.
I hope to get started on cutting out the bits tomorrow, but that depends on family circumstances which are pretty turbulent at the moment, with lots of people being very reliant on me. But whenever I get it started I intend to post the progress in the router jigs forum if anyone is interested.
Cheers
DougI got sick of sitting around doing nothing - so I took up meditation.
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16th June 2013, 01:25 AM #18I got sick of sitting around doing nothing - so I took up meditation.
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16th June 2013, 09:28 PM #19Intermediate Member
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I have been looking around and can find either a Maktec MT371 ($90)or Maktia 3709X ($199) as alternatives to the Ozito $59. They both have less power, but are possible the better brand. Has anyone had experience with them?
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16th June 2013, 10:47 PM #20SENIOR MEMBER
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17th June 2013, 12:45 AM #21
Hi Camo.
My pantorouter build may be a bit of a while off. I am building the router pantograph first, which is what I primarilly bought the RT0700C for. The router pantograph is a much simpler item to build and the more I think about it the more I can see it doing.
The two major differences between the pantorouter and the router pantograph are:
- one manages the third axis by tilting and the other by sliding, and
- the orientation and design of the workpiece and template being utilised. The router pantograph will copy what you put in front of it, sometimes the pantoraoter allows you to make simpler templates for some applications.
Having given this some considerable thought over the last week, I really cannot see anything that can be done on the pantorouter that cannot be done on the router pantograph, at least not anything I want to do. The templates would need to be designed differently and the workpiece and template may need to be repositioned a few times but you should be able to do mortise and tennons and even dovetails on the router pantograph. Any distortion caused by the "tilting" of the router bit when cutting , say, a tennon cheek can be eliminated by making sure that the workpiece and the template are positioned so that the router pantograph is not tilted when cutting the full depth of material to be removed. Some extra care may be necessary to ensure a consistent mortise, but I think it is do-able.
Of course, there are plenty of things that can be done a lot faster and more efficiently on the pantorouter, so its a "horses for courses" type of affair. I probably need just a few hours of shed-time to finish the router pantograph. Then I can see what it really can do. You can follow my progress here - https://www.woodworkforums.com/f88/ro...ogress-172518/
I hope to get enough shed-time to complete the router pantograph by the end of next week but I will see how that goes, then I will experiment with how far that can go. I am pretty sure the pantorouter will still be on the "to do" list after that but it is not a project that I will be starting for a month or so. When I do, I will definitely start a thread for it under the "router jigs" forum.
Thanks for your interest..
DougI got sick of sitting around doing nothing - so I took up meditation.
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17th June 2013, 03:52 AM #22SENIOR MEMBER
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Doug,
I am already on board with the pantograph, sorry for the confusion (I did say pantograph in the thread, but I should have made it a bit clearer what I meant, given it was in the pantorouter forum). I appreciate you going through the differences, as some may not be aware of Matthias the "genius", but I have drooled over the pantograph and pantorouter among other designs of his for years, and for what it is worth, I think you are making the right one first.
Regarding the Makita router, with all the renewed interest thanks to this thread, I was going through some of the videos Singh (hillpanthers) does, and I remembered that he had actually purchased the Makita RT0700C, and it is shown in action in this video making double mortise and tenon on hybrid pantorouter - YouTube
Obviously in this video he is only cutting into pine, but it gives a bit of an idea of how well this little router goes.
I have already tuned into your thread for the pantograph, and am looking forward to it.
Cheers,
Camo
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23rd February 2016, 11:01 AM #23GOLD MEMBER
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Back from the dead - the thread, not me.
I've decided I need a Pantorouter to go with my CNC router. I've a copy of Matthias's latest plans for the Pantorouter XL. I've an Hitachi TR-12 with a broken base that I can dedicate for Pantorouter use. Enough odds and ends of timber/plywood to make it.
Has anyone completed a Pantorouter build and have any images/experiences to share?Geoff
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25th February 2016, 10:34 AM #24Frequent Learner
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The problem with these trimmer routers is that they are typically only 1/4in collets and you can't use a decent length bit in them which limits what you can do with them in a pantorouter setup.
I'm also a fan of Mathias' work and i would like to build myself his tenoner...same problem though, no barrel type 1/2 routers available.
I did find one recently, not sure where the link was, maybe in these forums but it was $400 for a no name barrel router which i thought was a bit too much risk considering the price. The guy selling them was importing them from China i think. There is a Bosch model (something 1600 something) which is a barrel type model but i don't think it works without the base, looks like it has some contacts that need to engage for it to work, also it is a bit pricey to buy just to see if it will work.
What we really need is to get a petition together to send to the major manufacturers to stop treating us like second class citizens, if they can develop a model for the US market then why can't they sell the same thing here (obviously with a motor that handles 220V).
Anyway that's my whinge for today, good luck with the build. Post some pictures of your WIP or when it's done.
Cheers
Mat
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