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    They say you get what you pay for. That is not always true, if you buy cheep you get cheep and nasty, if you pay big bucks you have two chances, either you get a good bit of gear or you get ripped off by someone who has overpriced a piece of junk.
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry over the trouble shooting page. Signs of the times I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Duke View Post
    I don't know whether to laugh or cry over the trouble shooting page. Signs of the times I suppose.
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    I decided to laugh, figured it must be the joke section, intended to cheer up disappointed purchasers.

    (Your other comment was quite true, too.)
    ... Steve

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    Steve,

    I am really disappointed in how this turned out for you. Especially the money you spent. Not to thrown stones at you but I bought a Craftsman 3/4hp router with two bases. A fixed and a plunge. I made a router table from scraps and mounted the fixed base in it. I made my own fence and bought some fence accessories from Rockler. All in all I have less than $200 in it. Here is a pic of it.

    The top is an old desk lined with formica and is dead flat.









    I made the fence from poplar and it adjusts via one bolt in the middle. Plus the plate in the middle can be changed out for different sizes bits. I have even run a 3" panel bit in this thing successfully.

    I just think you should return this POS at their expense. It has some many problems straight out of the box. I understand you could make a new fence for it but the router moving as you do height adjustments. That pretty much makes it worthless in my book.

    The router is one of my favorite tools. I used mine for about 2 solid straight hours yesterday routing an 1/8" roundover on a bunch of blocks I made for my boys.

    Just my .02. I even have several plans for router tables if you would like including the one I have . Takes half a day to build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bj383ss View Post
    Steve,

    I am really disappointed in how this turned out for you. Especially the money you spent. Not to thrown stones at you but I bought a Craftsman 3/4hp router with two bases. A fixed and a plunge. I made a router table from scraps and mounted the fixed base in it. I made my own fence and bought some fence accessories from Rockler. All in all I have less than $200 in it. Here is a pic of it.

    The top is an old desk lined with formica and is dead flat.

    .....

    I made the fence from poplar and it adjusts via one bolt in the middle. Plus the plate in the middle can be changed out for different sizes bits. I have even run a 3" panel bit in this thing successfully.

    I just think you should return this POS at their expense. It has some many problems straight out of the box. I understand you could make a new fence for it but the router moving as you do height adjustments. That pretty much makes it worthless in my book.

    The router is one of my favorite tools. I used mine for about 2 solid straight hours yesterday routing an 1/8" roundover on a bunch of blocks I made for my boys.

    Just my .02. I even have several plans for router tables if you would like including the one I have . Takes half a day to build.

    Bret
    Looks great, Bret, you did a good job on it. A fantastic setup.

    I might return it yet, but only if they're prepared to send someone to pick it up, otherwise I'll expect a further price reduction, and a decent one, too.
    It really is junk.

    Usually with bad purchases, the buyer is expected to pay return costs, so I'll see how it pans out. I might take you up on your offer of plans, I'll just see what happens. I appreciate the offer.

    To make things worse, I already need to buy a second, hand-held router, for dovetails among other things.

    As good as my little Dremel is, it has serious limits. Managed to cut a set of rabbet joints with it for a box the other day, but it took forever taking 0.5mm passes, and my Dremel dovetail bit is a midget.

    Incidentally, the manual's joke section did cheer me up, I had to laugh at it. (A $300 laugh!! )
    ... Steve

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    Well whatever the outcome hopefully you will be happy with it. While looking for the pics from the post above I found one of the first router table I had. A little benchtop Craftsman with a 1/2hp router my dad gave me. It only held 1/4" bits and was not variable speed. I used the hell out of that thing until I built my big one. You may also notice my shop was in its infancy. LOL



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    Quote Originally Posted by bj383ss View Post
    Well whatever the outcome hopefully you will be happy with it. While looking for the pics from the post above I found one of the first router table I had. A little benchtop Craftsman with a 1/2hp router my dad gave me. It only held 1/4" bits and was not variable speed. I used the hell out of that thing until I built my big one. You may also notice my shop was in its infancy. LOL
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    Looks like a neat little unit Bret, and double the power of my Dremel. Double the shank size, too.

    Even in it's infancy, your workshop looked pretty good, with room to move. As you can imagine, my single car garage is pretty crowded these days. The workbench I built hasn't sagged yet, by the way. Could do with a new coat of poly, though. I'll have to snap a pic of the workshop for you when I get a chance.

    Bought a lot of equipment in the last year too, (all from H&F): bandsaw, Scheppach oscillating spindle sander, Scheppach scrollsaw, 12" disc sander, 16" wide drum sander and now the Scheppach router table, the first Scheppach that turned out to be a dud. Paid H&F $2200 in total. A lot of money for me, out of the pension. I'll remind them of that tomorrow.
    ... Steve

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    Hermit - thinking on this overnight, you really should send this piece of junk back to H&F for a refund, and they can pay the freight. Its just not worth your time to fix up all the defects, and you shouldn't have to. Just get them to arrange a courier to pick it up.

    Give them the option of replacing it with a CHECKED good copy, but as I said before I'm not sure that 1 in 10 of these things would be acceptable. Refund is the way to go.

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    Steve along with the box add a list of complaints but make sure you also send Scheppac photos and notification I am sure they being the name on the machine will be very interested.

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    I've been in touch this morning, by email then phone and it's going back. As you mentioned, Mr Brush, they're sending a checked one and they'll have this one picked up at the same time. I insisted that they ensure the replacement doesn't have the same issues, and that if they don't have a good one, I want a full refund.

    I emphasised the importance that in particular they check the table for bows in both directions with light and straight edge as well as the play in the motor mounting.

    Reminded them, too, that I still live with a bowed bandsaw table after two replacements due to their bad testing in the past.

    Playing the waiting game again now.


    Ray, I'll do what you suggest and contact Scheppach if I can find them. I think you're right - they probably will be interested in the feedback.

    Edit: I just had a look and Scheppach have a website and actually can be contacted via a web form, unlike many manufacturers.
    They have a 'Products' section, in which they have a vertical spindle moulder, which is what the manual calls this unit), but it looks nothing like this one and is a stand-alone unit, not a bench-top type. Makes one wonder, but I guess mine is just an old model.
    I'll get in touch with them later.
    ... Steve

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    This is just not right.

    The machine should be fit for the purpose.

    Hermit has had all the same faults that I have had plus a couple more.

    We should be able to get together and do as tdrumnut suggested. I have only used my machine twice since have had it. It is a piece of crap and H & F know it but have refused to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avery View Post
    This is just not right.

    The machine should be fit for the purpose.

    Hermit has had all the same faults that I have had plus a couple more.

    We should be able to get together and do as tdrumnut suggested. I have only used my machine twice since have had it. It is a piece of crap and H & F know it but have refused to do anything.
    I reckon that once they check out a couple more , they'll be unable to find one better, so I'm all set for a refund. Then I'll make my own table. Mind you, if my bandsaw drama last year is anything to go by, it won't happen quickly.
    That one was drawn out over 7 weeks and 3 different tables before I had any sort of satisfaction, and even then it was a $100 store credit and a free blade! It still didn't cut well until I accepted the fact that I could never use a blade wider than 1/4", and had to settle for the least bowed of the 3 tables - not a flat one. On the specs, it was supposed to be able to take a 3/4" blade. I've since seen another forum member with exactly the same issues with the same model bandsaw. I'll bet the poor bugger got one of the tables I rejected, too.

    Unfortunately, all cheap machines, whether from Hare and Forbes or elsewhere are relative junk. In fact, many not so cheap ones aren't that much better, either. My $800+ H&F wide drum sander flexes, causing a few thou of snipe at both ends of the board, but I've learned to live with that, by putting slight upward pressure on the arm at the beginning and end of cuts. Getting quite good at that. Still have to hand-sand the last bit out though.
    ... Steve

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    I am assuming you don't have any friends in the Engineering trade who could take your bandsaw table and machine, or surface grind it for you? If I lived closer I would be happy to help out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treecycle View Post
    I am assuming you don't have any friends in the Engineering trade who could take your bandsaw table and machine, or surface grind it for you? If I lived closer I would be happy to help out.
    No, mate, unfortunately not. I did make some queries locally, but all I found was a mob that could do it with a 'vertical borer', I think he called it, but it was going to cost an arm and a leg. Nowra isn't a good place for engineering firms, too small.

    You'd be surprised how much I managed to improve it with a flat 'bastard' warding file laid flat on the surface and lots of elbow grease, but I tired of that before I finished. The further I got toward flat, the larger the surface that needed to be filed.

    I've learned to live with it now, and just use my MDF top when things are critical, like making bandsawn boxes. For them an exact 90 degrees is critical, or the whole plan falls apart.

    When and if I have the $, I'll buy a 14" Jet. May never happen though, on my budget.
    ... Steve

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    I just realised that my last email to H&F was still sitting in my 'Drafts' folder, unsent.

    The bogpond mail servers had been playing up, as they are again right now, so I couldn't send it when I wrote it.
    No wonder I didn't get a reply. Just sent it off.
    ... Steve

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    I have been watching this thread with more than a little bit of interest.
    I have an order in for one of the Scheppac routers to be supplied when my re-built shed is ready in around 2 weeks. (See “Tornado, Bugger” in the sheds forum.) https://www.woodworkforums.com/f245/t...bugger-169232/
    I am assured that new stock arriving will have addressed the issues raised in these posts.
    I referred these posts to the supplier but got no comment there except to say that the problems are now fixed.
    I did hear from an informed source that a lot of these machines had been returned faulty.
    Hermit have you received a positive response to your e-mails or better still, have you taken delivery of a new fault free Scheppac router table?

    Hoping for good news
    Bob

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