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25th January 2015, 02:07 AM #1Junior Senior Member
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6" port upgrade for a 15" Thicknesser
There's been lots of talk about how a 4" dust port really, really, really isn't big enough for woodwork tools.
I have a Jet JWP-15HO thicknesser that needs a port upgrade. By pure chance I discovered a nice man at work who just happened to have done his sheetmetal trade prior to computers. Those were the days of marking and making things by hand.
I explained that I wanted to upgrade my 4" transition box to a 6" one, and he began to rub his hands with glee.
Here's what we came up with:
Factory fitted 4" port
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New port for comparison
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Fitting (of course it ended up a few mm too long...bashed it with a hammer, couple of small bends and a couple of new rivets and 'hey presto'!
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4" is kinda pathetic!
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Finished, installed, ready to go. Extra bonus points if you can pick what's changed to the thicknesser comparing this pic to the 1st one (no, the new dust port doesn't count!)
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Now to finish installing the overhead ducted extraction set up. Although I've just now become sidetracked. I'm wondering how I can improve the dust extraction on my jointer...
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25th January 2015, 05:58 AM #2.
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Looks good John.
An improvement for anyone thinking of making one would be to make the take off angle of the duct closer to the original.
This will reduce turbulence in the post and improve flow.
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25th January 2015, 08:24 AM #3
Noticeable difference john ?
Glenn Visca
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25th January 2015, 08:28 AM #4Junior Senior Member
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25th January 2015, 08:28 PM #5Senior Member
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Looks good! Have you moved the switch?
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25th January 2015, 08:38 PM #6Junior Senior Member
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6" port upgrade for a 15" Thicknesser
No...try again. This is double points after all!
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25th January 2015, 11:24 PM #7GOLD MEMBER
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It looks clean?
Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything, but they
bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs .
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26th January 2015, 11:20 AM #8Junior Senior Member
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Yes! I spent over an hour with turps and steelwool
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30th January 2015, 10:29 PM #9
Nice upgrade with the port John.
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31st January 2015, 12:17 AM #10Junior Senior Member
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I've gotten so excited about upgrades that I've upgraded my jointer also. I cut the holes in the 2 layers of 3/4" ply with the router and the included circle cutting jig that comes with the triton TRA001.
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I also found 2 massive air leaks - 2" x 5" each! 20" squared in total!! A couple of bits of thin sheet good siliconed on seemed to do the trick.
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Now to finish the ducting, but I'm covering that in another thread
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1st February 2015, 01:58 PM #11Woodworker
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That's very cool John. Well done. I recently upgraded my thicknesser port as well, from 140mm (it was really 130mm when measured carefully) to 160mm. I can't say that the original 130mm port was really bad and the new port is really good, but I know from what I've learned on this forum that the 160mm port has to be moving more air -- assuming of course that there is not a constriction of flow from the machine itself -- which I know is a big assumption!
Warm Regards, Luckyduck
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1st February 2015, 02:26 PM #12.
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Assuming 150 mm ducting is being used then using a port that is bigger than the ducting does improve flow provided the transition is a smooth one.
The ideal transition is a taper that is at least 5 and preferably 10 duct diameters in length.
To get around the long lengths required and to reduce port turbulence then Bell Mouth transition (BMT) can be used.
This involves opening up the machine port even further and inserting the BMT between the machine opening and the ducting.
If 150 mm ducting is used then r= 37.5 and the hole in the machine will need to be 150 + 2r = 225 mm
These BMTs are really designed to optimise the air flow into the naked ends of ducting but they are also worth doing on larger cavities.
On the underneath of my TS I have a large tapered hopper but where this is not possible due to space or OHS issues then the BMT will do a similar thing.
The BMT should scavenge sawdust from more of the cavity but like any efficient port it must be allowed to breathe so adding addition flow paths in the cavity may be required. Most machines are too choked up up and do not allow enough airflow for these to work properly
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1st February 2015, 03:43 PM #13Junior Senior Member
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Thanks Bob. So from what I take from your message, when I make a bell mouth, using 150mm ducting, make the radius of the round over 40mm. That's handy to know as I'm going to redo the suction port on my RAS cabinet that I made last year, plus I'm going to make one for my mini lathe.
Also, I'm using 150mm steel on my machine ports as it's conveniently the right size for my 150mm flex. I'm planning on using a foot or 2 of flex before going to PVC. What have you found to be the best transition between flex and PVC?
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1st February 2015, 03:47 PM #14Junior Senior Member
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6" port upgrade for a 15" Thicknesser
Oh forgot to mention: road tested the thickness and jointer. The jointer is chip and dust free. You can feel a strong suction around the cutters that sucks chips from a couple of inches away. The thicknesser is also chip and dust free. I didn't see any chips or dust on the feed table under the cutters at all. A good result.
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It depends on your flexy as they are not all the same size or stiffness. The slightly bigger size (I forget the numbers) can be heated with a hot air gun and they will stretch over the 150 mm PVC. The smaller ones I do differently, but someone has posted here what looks to be an even better way of doing it using 150 mm galv metal ducting joiners available at hardware store. Maybe someone else can point to it.
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