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    Mick, here's a few pics of my cyclone,
    Motor, fan housing and looking up to the fan inside the cyclone,

    3kw motor.JPGfan housing.jpgimpellor in DC.jpg
    in Ron's suggestion you would not mount the fan housing to the top of the straight section as I have done and in most other installations. The ductwork (bend) would be fixed to the top of the straight section and then if you looked up the center of the cyclone you would see the bend. From the bend you take ducting away to the fan blower assembly in the woodshed.

    There's not a lot of hieght gain by doing this by the time you take into consideration a long radius bend but the big advantage is the separation of the noise component to the woodshed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mick59wests View Post
    Ron,
    I could not find this anywhere. I also joined the CV forum and asked the same question on the weekend but have not had any reply. I cannot say I'd like to be the first to try this!

    At the moment I am leaning towards the 3hp Felder AF22 D-160. BobL previously posted below about this machine based on stats from gunnaduit. Unfortunately it will mean going without a cyclone to get the magic numbers. I have used BP's staticcalc as well for what I am expecting to do



    this certainly seems to be full of compromises. I think of this as trading off noise (and getting up and running time) for having to keep filters clean. Either way I will have to empty the chips / dust.

    cheers

    Mick

    I have been investigating different options for those whose workshops arem height challenged. I have found that there is a user in the USA who has mounted his cyclone at about 30 degrees from vertical. i am waiting for him to get back to me to tell me how sucessful this is. In the meantime I have some information for anyone wanting to detach the impeller and housing and mount them separately from the cyclone.

    I am not sure if it is appropriate to post what is a promotional article here but if anyone wnats a copy please send me a private mesage and I will get a copy to you by email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjt View Post
    Mick, here's a few pics of my cyclone,
    Motor, fan housing and looking up to the fan inside the cyclone,

    3kw motor.JPGfan housing.jpgimpellor in DC.jpg
    in Ron's suggestion you would not mount the fan housing to the top of the straight section as I have done and in most other installations. The ductwork (bend) would be fixed to the top of the straight section and then if you looked up the center of the cyclone you would see the bend. From the bend you take ducting away to the fan blower assembly in the woodshed.

    There's not a lot of hieght gain by doing this by the time you take into consideration a long radius bend but the big advantage is the separation of the noise component to the woodshed.


    Pete
    Pete,

    thanks for the reply. I had seen yours before and Ron even sent a link to a very detailed setup of someone 'rolling their own'. My concern was particularly with the CV. Having had no experience with cyclones I did not want to find out that there was any problem with doing this with the CV. Also, height in the shed is not my issue. I just want the noise in the attached woodshed which I can more easily insulate.

    shedman,
    very much appreciated. It looks like a goer to me and I will be in contact

    A very big thank you to all contributors. For what has seemed a long journey to me, I look like I have reached a finish line, while learning an enormous amount along the way.

    cheers

    Mick

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    Found this shot at the CV forum. very interesting ... impeller is mounted at floor height, apparently to save height.


    Cheerio!

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    John,

    thanks for the photo. It is similar to what I want to do but for sound proofing in a separate shed. I did go through the photos but obviously missed this one. I don't suppose you have a link or the user name of the photo poster as I would give him a PM and see how it went? If not, I'll start my searching again.

    I have very much appreciated your contributions in both this and other threads


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    Quote Originally Posted by mick59wests View Post
    John,

    thanks for the photo. It is similar to what I want to do but for sound proofing in a separate shed. I did go through the photos but obviously missed this one. I don't suppose you have a link or the user name of the photo poster as I would give him a PM and see how it went? If not, I'll start my searching again.

    I have very much appreciated your contributions in both this and other threads


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    Cheerio!

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    John,

    thanks - much appreciated

    Mick

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    Ive looked at the picture linked. I simply cant see the point.

    No height seems to have been saved and a number of lossy very tight elbows and several meters of unnecessary duct have been introduced.

    One of the big advantages of fitting the blower direct to the top of the cyclone is that you get a right angle bend with no losses for free...due to that right angle bend being the blower its self.

    if you want to reduce noise and you are thinking about mounting the blower out side.....just mount the whole damn thing out side.

    the input pipe to the cyclone will come straight thru ya wall in one single hole....and no need to introduce an extra bend either......if ya putting anything outside.......ya cutting a hole in the wall anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman View Post
    Ive looked at the picture linked. I simply cant see the point.

    No height seems to have been saved and a number of lossy very tight elbows and several meters of unnecessary duct have been introduced.
    That was my first thought.

    My second thought was that the only reason I could think of to do it that way would be if the weight of the motor and impeller made it unstable when being wheeled around the workshop. It certainly isn't going to help the efficiency in any way at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman View Post

    No height seems to have been saved and a number of lossy very tight elbows and several meters of unnecessary duct have been introduced.

    One of the big advantages of fitting the blower direct to the top of the cyclone is that you get a right angle bend with no losses for free...due to that right angle bend being the blower its self.
    Absolutely!

    If Mick is careful to use wide radius bends (hope they fit in his shop) he will likely do OK, but he'll still need to take the extra ductwork and bends into account for his losses.

    I agree with you. My inclination would be to put the entire beast in the wood shed, at an angle if necessary, but it's Mick's shed, so he makes these decisions.

    Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman View Post
    Ive looked at the picture linked. I simply cant see the point.

    No height seems to have been saved and a number of lossy very tight elbows and several meters of unnecessary duct have been introduced.

    One of the big advantages of fitting the blower direct to the top of the cyclone is that you get a right angle bend with no losses for free...due to that right angle bend being the blower its self.

    if you want to reduce noise and you are thinking about mounting the blower out side.....just mount the whole damn thing out side.

    the input pipe to the cyclone will come straight thru ya wall in one single hole....and no need to introduce an extra bend either......if ya putting anything outside.......ya cutting a hole in the wall anyway

    cheers
    soundman,

    I won't say it is not possible that I am trying to make the most use (perhaps overly so) of what I have but.......

    in my case I already have an enclosed small separate 'woodshed' but it is only between 6 and 8 feet tall so I can't put the whole thing in there. What I am hoping to do is move the noisy part (venting / impeller / motor) into there so I can isolate the noise into something that already exists via insulation, etc. I might even then be able to get a wheelie bin under the cyclone but I am a long way from working out how to attach the cyclone to a bin

    cheers
    Mick

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