Thread: Clearvue CV1800 installation WIP

Hi Bob, any progress with your install?

Do you have the resources to do any tests of static pressure, airflow and/or current draw?

With school holidays and visiting grandchildren things came to a bit of a stand still. I will put some more photos up in the next couple of days. The electrician has been and all is up and running. This thing screams. My first priority is to get the cupboard finished now the electrician is done. All the sides have been fully enclosed. The front has to be finished as is the top. I have purchased some acoustic installation to line it with. Think I am going to have to get more though. I have used it a couple of time while working on the cupboard, but don't let it go for long. Don't want to upset the neighbours. Though with the shed shut up it is not too bad 20 metres away. I will include some photos of the ducting as well. Don't have any equipment for taking the measurements you asked for.

well done Bob. They work a treat but as you know the noise level is high
cheers
Mick

Hi Mick, am happy with the work Greg did with the electrics. Not wrong about the noise. My research indicated that if the unit is going to be in the shed then don't mount it on a wall but in a freestanding cupboard. The next couple of days will confirm whether or not this is the case.

Finally have found time to do more work on the cabinet. Wish I could find the person who told me I would have plenty of spare time when I retired.

The first image shows the VFD installed on the shed wall next to the cabinet and under the sub panel.

Next is a close up of the cabinet with some of the acoustic insulation installed.

The third photo is of the top panel with the motor exposed.

The last photo is of the sealed cabinet. The door is being held on by clamps at the moment. The inlet opening is not as oversized as it looks. The inlet ducting is at an angle and an odd shape. The insulation inside seals what little opening there is.

Since taking the photos I have finished the insulation except for on the door. The vent/baffle at the back bottom is now finished. Clamped the door shut and turned it on - not as loud as the old 2hp dusty. Outside the shed can hardly hear it with the roller door opened. Don't have to use ear protection for the Clearvue. About one day's work to finish it except for painting it. Very happy!

Look like images have been displayed in reverse order - go figure.

Just to finish off my installation info. Here are two photos taken from each end of the shop showing the ducting. Just have to paint the cabinet now.

Firstly nice bit of ducting work there.

I notice that there is quite a bit of 100 mm flexy in use - presumably you will upgrade the machine ports and then swap that to 6" flexy?

Some other suggestions for improvements especially for newbies

The BG should be as close to the trunk line junction otherwise the vacuum generated by the air rushing past the openings will fill these with sawdust.

e.g. BG4 should be moved as close as possible to the previous junction - same for BG at A and B and can't quite make out what is going on at C

At A there is one BG and then a 100 mm Y junction with two 100 mm ducts leading away from it so presumably that is connected to one machine?
If so it would have been better to make this a 150 mm Y otherwise the air from 2 x 100 mm ducts are trying to get through 1 x 100 connect.
If they are separate machines there needs to be separate BG on each duct.

Ducting1.jpg

Same issue below with BG positions
That naked duct opening in the SCMS hood will generate a lot of turbulence and reduce flow.
It would be better to try and get that behind the machine but I realise that is not always possible.
Ducting2.jpg

I hope you don't think I'm being too picky especially as it can all be fixed quite easily.

All constructive input welcome Bob. In your first graphic B is shared with jointer/thicknesser and mobile thicknesser, while C is between drum sander and router table. Would have preferred shorter lengths of flexible hosing. A branches go to the table saw - one under and one to the guard. I believe that I saw in another thread you contributed to that 3 open 100mm ducts would maintain air flow. Though in this case I can see the bottle neck. In your second graphic 1 is the same as C in the first graphic. You can just see behind 1 another branch going to the band saw - same problem, need to move the gate. For convenience I place all gates close to the equipment being serviced. For completion BG4 is servicing the big bandsaw with 100mm below the table and another into the base enclosure. These are via very short lengths of flex. Even with the ducting the way it is the suction is street ahead of the 2HP DC. Regarding the SCMS. This is far from perfect and am continuing to research options. There are some good ideas on the internet, but some of them involve major surgery to the SCMS itself. Will keep looking on this point. Thanks for your input.

Great job with the install and photos, I bet its a treat it have a cyclone in your shop after a "dusty". I like the lay out of your duct work it Works For You I bet

great job there Bob!
cheers
Mick

Bob R
Very interesting thread. Great to see how others approach the design of their systems. It is very difficult to design a perfect system but I usually find some gem of an idea in other's posts that I can incorporate into my system.

BobL
Your comments on the positions that Bob R placed his BG's raises an interesting issue. I understand the reasons for your suggestions but I suspect that BobR placed his BG's in positions close to the machines so that they actually get used. Too far away and the temtation is to not open them for "just one cut" (BobR may care to comment). The only solution's seems to be automatic blast gates ( what I chose because I am generally lazy) or to open all gates in turn at the end of a sesion to clear the accumulations. Unlikely to regularly happen!!!

My suggestion for what it is worth is that the biggest improvement you could make to your system is to get rid of the 4" flexy

Thanks for the comments. Just got back from Maleny - great time except for the weather after day one. As mentioned in my response to BobL, the longer lengths of 4" flexy is to share connection between 2 machines.

Originally Posted by ronboult

BobL
Your comments on the positions that Bob R placed his BG's raises an interesting issue. I understand the reasons for your suggestions but I suspect that BobR placed his BG's in positions close to the machines so that they actually get used. Too far away and the temtation is to not open them for "just one cut" (BobR may care to comment). The only solution's seems to be automatic blast gates ( what I chose because I am generally lazy) or to open all gates in turn at the end of a sesion to clear the accumulations. Unlikely to regularly happen!!!

its pretty easy to set up BG control closer to machines using pulleys and some cord. Some BG designs suit that better than others. Swapping machines usually involves changing the state of more more than one gate so there's always a dance around my shed for that anyway.

Great work, BobR. It's a pleasure to read the comments and suggestions so well expressed and well received.

It seems to me that, with dust extraction, there are inevitably compromises and areas for improvement, no matter what level you go to. But that is a brilliant set up, and I'd be happy to have something like that in my shed.