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  1. #16
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    Thanks everyone for your questions and advice.
    I am guilty of going off topic a bit above (late Friday night postings!) There is heaps of great info on this forum already about cyclone designs, impeller sizing etc. I don’t want to repeat it all here.

    The goal is to see what 6” cyclones skins are available if you don’t want to build your own. So far I only know of three:
    Super dust deputy XL
    ClearVue CV1800 (body only)
    Hafco CDS-2/3

    Any others I haven’t discovered yet?
    (If I find any I will edit this post with new links)

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    Hi, John.

    The fibreglass cyclone you mentioned earlier does have a 6” inlet.

    Cheers Tim

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    Apologies Tim, I must have misread somewhere. For some reason I had in my head the inlet and outlet were 8”.
    Did you ever end up selling and posting any to Australia?

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    Hi John,

    The inlet is 6” to suit the most efficient ducting size and the connection to the fan is 8” for cyclone efficiency. If it’s being connected to a smaller fan with a 6” inlet, either a 6” reducer is needed or better still a simple matter of making a new cover plate with an 8” stub which also significantly improves fan output.

    i have shipped to Australia. Last time I think it was about $150.

    Cheers, Tim

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    I bought the Hafco CDS 2/3 to mate with the 3hp Sherwood dc from timbercon, that was a mistake the Hafco cyclone choked the 3hp dc. I wasn't trusting my ability to make a cyclone But

    I ended up using the bucket from hafco and made my own Bill Pentz cyclone.
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    This is the half of hafco sitting behind the garage. I cut off the bottom ring so it's useless

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    Sorry for the sideway pics.

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    Brilliant job!
    What fan unit are you using on top of the cyclone - the Sherwood 3hp unit?

    If so, hows it performing?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lappa View Post
    What fan unit are you using on top of the cyclone - the Sherwood 3hp unit?

    If so, hows it performing?


    Cheers

    I can tell it's better than the Hafco cyclone by look and feel

    Bought this but it's not a proper equipment to measure
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    Hafco W318 dust extractor.

    I've just dangerously made a video of the cyclone sucking up mdf dust off the router table, left hand held the phone camera right hand fed the mdf over the cutter




    Hoey

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    Just reread the linked thread - thanks. I might download the excel spreadsheet and have a play. If you have a smartphone or tablet, I may have a way for you to measure the flow accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoey View Post
    I bought the Hafco CDS 2/3 to mate with the 3hp Sherwood dc from timbercon, that was a mistake the Hafco cyclone choked the 3hp dc.
    What does "choked" mean? Does it mean the air flowed faster than the cyclone could separate and too much dust came out the top?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoey View Post
    I wasn't trusting my ability to make a cyclone But I ended up using the bucket from hafco and made my own Bill Pentz cyclone.
    How hard did you find making one was?
    Did you have the pieces cut for you or did you just use tin snips?
    Did you solder the joins or just use rivets/silicone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John G View Post
    What does "choked" mean? Does it mean the air flowed faster than the cyclone could separate and too much dust came out the top?

    How hard did you find making one was?
    Did you have the pieces cut for you or did you just use tin snips?
    Did you solder the joins or just use rivets/silicone?
    I would like to know too. And also if anyone knows, how much disturbance it will be if the joins arnt great - ie overlap with silicon and rivets

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    If you are going to pop rivet the laps do it from the inside where ever you can. The heads have less drag than the upset end.

    Pete

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    The obvious way to save a $ is to DIY the designs are available and intuitive as well. sheet steel is cheap - some go for poly-carbonate so they can see flow and blockages. Pop riveter, silicon, a bit of effort and you done.
    I have thought about replacing my top, filter bag with a duct outside the shed as it is mostly used for the planer/thicknesser - so not so much fine - airborne dust.

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    "choked" here means restrictions of airflow.

    I used tin snips, angle cutter for cutting the sheets.
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    I can't find the roll of lead but here are the soldering gear that I used.
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    This jig was made up for holding the joint while soldering , 5mm bolts contacts to minimize the heat transfers or to stop the heatsink hope you know what I meant.

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    I got no patience to learn to draw the transition of rectangular to circle so I made this up to mark/trace the sheet for cutting the transition

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    Hoey

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    If you're in Adelaide I have one of aldav's similar to the dust deputy XL's sitting in my shed not getting used. Bought it and never used it. I think the inlet or outlet is 5" though not 6".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoey View Post
    I can tell it's better than the Hafco cyclone by look and feel
    I've just dangerously made a video of the cyclone sucking up mdf dust off the router table, left hand held the phone camera right hand fed the mdf over the cutter

    Hoey
    I like it! With a BMH that would be awesome. I might try that and do away with the cabinet and fence connections and see if it’s as clean.

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