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13th July 2007, 12:55 AM #1
Need Help - Dust Extraction.
Due to a bit of good fortune, I look like being able to buy my dust extractor at the Adelaide WWWshow in a couple of weeks. I had planned to buy it next year, & so I have done little to NO research. Having made one expensive purchase with little or no idea what I was buying, I don't want to do it again.
So fellow woodies, I seek information about Dusties from anybody that knows more about them than me. That would be all of you.
How do I work out how big is big enough. I am sure that a $1000 unit is better than one that is only a couple of hundred, but thats not an option.
Here is one that I have looked at. http://ledamachinery.com.au/catalogu...1fcc04fc3fadc7
So, HELP ME!!! please.
SteveThe fact remains, that 97% of all statistics are made up, yet 87% of the population think they are real.
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13th July 2007, 01:57 AM #2
1st question, will you drag it from machine to machine or plumb it up to be stationary?
That machine would be fine to drag to each machine or set up to draught 2 machines with short pipe runs, the inlet size of the machine(5") will restrict a large pipe network.
This machine ($160 extra, same as mine but mines 3hp single ph)will allow you to set up a stationary system capable of draughting several machines providing you use a 6" main pipe. Or still use to drag too individual machines with a view to a future perminate set up.
A fully plumbed system is always the best option, because the dusty unit can be set up outside of the work area to remove any fine dust that will escape the bags.
For a drag around unit it would be wise to add a pleated filter to stop you breathing in the fine dust... but thats going to bump the price up considerately.....................................................................
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13th July 2007, 10:37 AM #3
I'll agree with Harry72 The Leda does look a good unit. But Id be thinking long term setting it up permanantly fully plumbed and go cyclone as well. But thats down the track. I'll be good and even help you spend ya money. Then if it works good I'll buy the same next year. ha ha
I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds
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13th July 2007, 11:29 AM #4
Thanks fellers, but I still have more questions than answers.
Harry: I know Leda improve their range faster than their catalogue, but the specs on that machine say 2HP single Phase, 3HP three phase. What is yours?
I will be draging at first, with a view to plumb latter, just not sure yet where.
Tony: "and go cyclone as well"... Cyclone appears to be the go, but How would I do this with the unit Harry suggests? (I wasn't joking when I said I know nothing about the subject) I Just re-read the specs, it says it has a sheet steel cyclone. Do I have to do anything else to this?
More Questions: Can I run an adaptor & blast gate to the same unit for use with small tools such as RO sander etc., or should these be hooked to a smaller shop vac?
I read in another thread once about hooking a router table to the dusty & having a portable unit hooked to the router at the same time. Why cant a big dusty do both jobs at once with an ataptor for size?
Thaks for your help.
SteveThe fact remains, that 97% of all statistics are made up, yet 87% of the population think they are real.
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13th July 2007, 12:54 PM #5
Tony: "and go cyclone as well"... Cyclone appears to be the go, but How would I do this with the unit Harry suggests? (I wasn't joking when I said I know nothing about the subject) I Just re-read the specs, it says it has a sheet steel cyclone. Do I have to do anything else to this?
YOUR asking ME?I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds
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13th July 2007, 01:25 PM #6
Have a look in the "Best of the Best" forum here, for pearls of wisdom on DE and cyclones.
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13th July 2007, 08:48 PM #7SENIOR MEMBER
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just an aside
(but to do with dusties...)
Day off today so watched TonySA's vid about the dust chute for the thicknesser.. made it exact to Tony's specs and it works champion...
Not a speck of shavings hit the floor...
Well done TonySA - and thanks...
JedoWhen all the world said I couldn't do it - they were right...
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13th July 2007, 10:37 PM #8
My unit is a 3 horse single phase FM300S with PFC's
If your in future going to set up the system perminately in its own humpy outside(like mine) dont waste your money and efficiency as a cyclone's for home workshop's were intended to vent back into the shop(seppo's).
An outside system will be more effective without the cyclone which creates a lot of lossy friction.
By all means run some pleated filters(PFC's) they will gain you a good 50% more continuous flow capability compared too bags.
Some people reckon that running PFC's without a prefilter(cyclone or prefilter drum)large chunks will destroy them... IMHO its BS because if you look inside your dust extractor at the "it says it has a sheet steel cyclone" bag holding shroud(s) the air and sawdust hit them first then flows into the bottom collection bag then the air flows upwards through the hole in the middle, yes light sawdust flows into the fliters but the large chunks cant... if your paranoid about it you could put some mesh across the centre hole of the bag shrouds.
To convert my style dusty(4 bag) to a cyclone is no different too any other dusty, the parts you use is the fan/motor and the snail(the bit the fan goes in!)the rest of the dusty is discarded.....................................................................
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13th July 2007, 10:47 PM #9
Ticky, you can get that exact same extractor (without the name brand ) for $299 here.
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
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13th July 2007, 11:40 PM #10
what would freight be? H&B wont be at the Adelaide show
I would love to grow my own food, but I can not find bacon seeds
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13th July 2007, 11:48 PM #11
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14th July 2007, 01:36 AM #12
Harry: Thanks for the info. Can't say I understood all of it, but you have convinced me that the bigger model is the way to go.
For a while at least, I will drag it from machine to machine or rig some temp ducting, but the long term plan is to plumb it.
Alastair: Thanks for your info also. I havent read it yet, but I will.
Matrix Thanks for the link. It appears that $299 model is about the same as the first one I thought about, but to compare with Harry's, it will be the $469 model.
Matrix & Tony: While H&F do have an outlet in adelaide as Matrix pointed out, they are mainly suppliers of H&F Metal work equimpent. They only have a very limited range of wood work machinery in stock & they do charge freight to bring anything over. I emailed H&F in Melbourne earlier in the year & suggested they come over for the Adelaide show, but they have no plans to do so in the near future.
I still have a lot to learn about dust extraction, But I will get there in the end.
SteveThe fact remains, that 97% of all statistics are made up, yet 87% of the population think they are real.
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14th July 2007, 02:42 AM #13
Ticky mine is from Gasweld, was about $470ish. Here!
There's 4 Gaswelds in Adel so shoudnt be hard to find....................................................................
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20th July 2007, 04:30 PM #14SENIOR MEMBER
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Ticky
If you are still undecided about a dust extractor, 2 years ago I bought a 2hp Carbatec extractor with from MIK at the Adelaide WWW Show.
The cost then was $249 and has plenty of suction for my workshop.
I have a 4" poly run of about 5 metres for the thicknesser and jointer, and another short take-off for the bandsaw. Just provide plenty of airflow and it works like a charm.
Pedro
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21st July 2007, 02:18 AM #15
Thaks Pedro, I think I may go for the 3hp, but it is great to know that the 2hp would do what I want. That extra horse will just make sure.
It will take me a while to get my shed the way I want it, but I am starting to get a clearer picture of how that will be, & the dusty is certainly in the plan.
Thankls to all for your help.
SteveThe fact remains, that 97% of all statistics are made up, yet 87% of the population think they are real.
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