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17th September 2020, 09:25 PM #1GOLD MEMBER
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laguna C flux/P flux extractors
Hi Everyone,
Haven't seen a specific thread discussing them so just seeing if anyone can chime in with and thoughts or experience with the laguna C or P flux dust extractors. From what i can gather its on its 3rd version of the same model.
Specs below, but i'm height limited at 2050mm being the max height i can comfortably fit a dust extractor.
From what i can gather there must be a cargo container of the things on their way to Australia. 2 places (Trend timbers and Carbatec who are newly Laguna reps) are both saying they're not getting stock till the end of october. Gregory machinery also sell them but they are not located in my state (NSW) so postage may be a killer. The specs seem pretty good, i guess a higher HP motor would have been preferred but at least it has a 15" impeller. One good advantage is the fact you don't have to deal with filter bags or plastic collection bags
Price: $2950
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- Motor HP: 3 HP
- Phase: 1 and 3
- Voltage: 240V & 415V
- Hertz: 50
- Plug: No
- RPM: 2850
- Switch Type: Radio Frequency Remote switch – Black Box
- Hand Held Remote Control: High Frequency
- Real CFM: 1350
- Nominal CFM: 2340
- Max Static Pressure (inches of water): 11.2″
- Impeller/Fan Size: 15.5″
- Impeller Material: Steel
- Impeller type: Radial Fin
- Balanced To: ISO 1940
- Inlet Diameters: 8″ by 4″ x 3 Ports
- Drum Capacity: 46 Gal
- Octagon drum: Metal Drum Insert
- Drum collection bag (Dia. x L): Plastic bag (610 x 950mmL)
- Canister Filter type: 1 Micron
- Filtration efficiency: 0.2-2micron @ 99.97%
- MERV rating: 12
- Canister diameter: 400mm (15.75″)
- Canister length: 900mm (19.69″)
- Filter Surface Area: 9.5m²
- Canister cleaning: Manual Handle Crank – *Optional Auto Cleaning Kit available
- Canister filter lower dust collection: Plastic bag (400 x 600mmL)
- Base with perforated sheet across canister floor: N/A
- Wheels: (4x) 4″ Flat Caster
- Decibel Reading: 88 d B(A) (@9.8ft)
- Machine weight: 140kgs
- Shipping weight: 170kgs
- Assembled Dimensions (L x W x H): 1178x690x2025mm
I currently have 3HP single phase Bayer DC7 extractor modified to take 6" PVC and i would be doing the same to the C flux if i buy one. Just unsure if i should spend the $3k on it. As much as i'd love a clear vue, its another $1500 on top once you ad in a VFD and i just don't have the height in my garage. The P flux version seems to be pretty much the same machine but with a few different features including:
https://gregmach.com/product/laguna-p-flux-3-cyclone/
Hepa filter
LED drum full detection
larger drum cap (46L vs 54L)
1 micron vs 0.4 micron
manual handle vs air compressor cleaning of filter
88 vs 76 Decibel rating
For a weekend/occasion worker who needs a more compact solution that can be closed off eventually?? If i pull the trigger happy to dry and do a review the best i can.
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17th September 2020, 10:33 PM #2Senior Member
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I'm just waiting for the sparky to come to do the wiring for my P-Flux, but some comments so far -
- allow a very big day and two people to put it together
- throw the written assemby instructions to one side and use the video on Laguna's website
- use 8" ducting if you can to match the 8" inlet
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25th September 2020, 10:27 PM #3
I've just finished putting mine together as well. I've just got to buy a 15A plug tomorrow and I'm good to go. A few other differences between the C-Flux and P-Flux that I hadn't realised during my research are:
- The P has what Laguna call a cannister cover plate (also with foam sound insulation as per the doors) which ties the left and right verticals together. I would imagine that this would stiffen up the chassis quite a bit.
- The C uses an inner drum liner that sits inside the plastic bag to weigh it down preventing it from being sucked up. The P uses negative vacuum to keep the bag down
- The drum of the P also has a sensor to detect the sawdust level
There also looks to be some improvements since the filming of the YouTube installation video. Firstly, the casters for the drum now the swivel-plate type and secured with 4 bolts instead of single threaded bolt. This disperses the load through a greater surface area. The other improvement to the drum I noticed is the octagonal panels are now secured with tiny bolt and "acorn" nuts instead of screws. Whilst this is a more elegant solution (no need for rubber caps on the inside to prevent the screws from tearing the bag), it is more difficult to do yourself because you either need long arms to do up the bottom nuts and bolts or a long screwdriver. And you'll also need a 6mm socket or spanner for the acorn nuts. The last improvement I noticed on my P flux (I'm sure it's the same for the C) is the've now included a bar/plate that mounts on the bottom of the cyclone. Apparently this is to improve the particle separation. It's not mentioned in the video.
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Just check that you are not reading the specs for the US 110v model. A single phase 3 HP motor should only draw about 10 A at 230v.
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That means it is drawing 5 HP while only delivering 3? - a very inefficient motor or an extreamly low power factor.
I wouldn't trust any of those numbers but would put a meter on the cable and see what it actually draws.
It could also be that the fan in a no input ducting condition draws 5 HP but when the ducting is fitted this drops to a continuous 3 HP. Not a very likely senario but possible.
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27th September 2020, 08:54 PM #11
I'd like to preface my comment by first stating that I'm not an electrician so take the following with a grain of salt. I've no idea but I think 30A is a bit much for a start up current. If I had to guess, I reckon 17A would be the start up current and the 14A stated on the sticker or the motor would be normal operating current.
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27th September 2020, 09:13 PM #13
Ok, so I terminated the plug and fired her up. According to the sound meter app on my phone, the P flux is 1~2dB louder than my 2hp Jet Vortex DE (69dB vs 67dB) at a distance of 2m. I can also say that the P Flux is more baritone than the Jet and and a lot of the noise is due to the greater air flow. The Jet is a bit whinier.
As for suction, I can't really say because I don't yet have the necessary fittings and there are a lot of restrictions in my current 4" set up so I don't imagine I'll notice any improvements until I upgrade the rest of my DE system.
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