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    Default shop vac or dust extractor

    hi everyone

    after a bit of advice, I currently have a sawstop table saw, carbatec thicknesser and 6" jointer hooked up to a 1hp carbatec compact dust extractor. the one with just the dust bag hanging off the end of. i dont have tons of room in the work shop but i will probably look later on at getting a bigger unit. but for now its doing ok at collecting all the stuff from these tools.


    my main question is supplementry to this i just have an el-cheap o shop vac that i bought 2nd hand a couple of years ago. it seems to go ok but i don't have any real specs on it. but it gets use to suck up and clean just about everything in the garage and duct tapped onto some power tools (drop saw, batter circ saw etc)

    so i'm looking to upgrade the vac to something a bit newer and hopefully just a little bit more powerful but not sure if i should look at just plain old shop vacs or dust extractors?

     
    i've seen a pretty good deal on a 2nd hand dewalt class m DWV902m-xe
    https://www.totaltools.com.au/38l-construction-dust-extractor-m-class
    which is 1400w, self cleaning filters, power tool take off. its normally $860 new but again there is a 2nd hand one for $450. how ever i believe its been used from some dry wall sanding but does come with some extra filters and a few attachments.
    or do i just goto bunnings etc and get a $100 - $200 wet and dry shop vac. i keep seeing figures for the motor watage but its hard to tell which ones are actually going to suck well.
     
    i don't really want to use the fixed dust extractor as a vacuum as its just handier to be able to drag the shop vac style ones around where required. for the portable tools. though i might be able to convince my self to get 4 - 8m of 32mm hose to hook onto the dust extractor.




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    It depends what you are trying to achieve.

    If all you want to collect are chips then pretty much anything will do that. If you want to reduce the amount of fine (invisible) dust, which has far greater health implications than chips, then the only way to do that is with far greater air flow than any 1HP DC (at most 200 cubic ft/min CFM) or vac (typically 100 CFM) can achieve. For a table saw about 800 CFM is the minimum given it has to be split between the cabinet and the OH blade guard). Same for thicknessers and jointers. You might see your small DCs or even vac is collecting the sawdust but they simply don't capture most of the fine dust and that is what you are breathing in.

    Just having a DC with enough flow is still not enough. Most new DCs and vac leak and the older they get the more likely they are to leak especially if they are towed around inside a shed. Of the DCs and Vac I have tested the leakiest were almost always those that were moved around inside a shed. The safest place for any vac or DC is outside the shed, or inside the shed inside an air tight enclosure. After using a machine any DC should be run for some time thereafter and the smaller that DC the longer it needs to run. An outside location helps get rid of the DC noise.

    Yes this approach does required fixed ducting but this also eliminates having the DC or vac underfoot all the time and having to disconnect and reconnect the vac all the time. It's all too easy to take a short cut and not bother for a quick cut or two not to do this - heck that cut didn't generate much dust but unfortunately the fine dust simply cannot be seen.

    It sounds like you might need to spend a bit of time reading around inside the dust forum to improve your wood dust knowledge.

    If you are an intermittent WW (ie don't spend whole days inside your shed) then forced ventilation is a possible way of handling the fine dust. It depends on the size of your shed but keeping the largest opening into your shed open and continuously running a couple of bathroom type exhaust fans is a relatively low cost solution. There are much better quiet fans available and while they cost a bit more they have better air flow than basic exhaust fans.

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    Yep lots of things to look into, but as you mentioned just a weekend wood worker.

    I think I'm going to look into a bigger stationary collection system and just get a better shop vac for cleaning up the stuff on the floor.

    Any recommendations for a wet and dry shop vac?

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