Thread: Timber Jinker early 1900s

Hmm, so you didn’t even bother to any research about “wheelwrighting” then.


Looks like you decided to ignore centuries of practical advancements in wheel making and decided to re-invent the wheel.

Please DO check out how they should be shaped.

Here's a book that will show how wheels are made, it's well worth acquiring, you will learn a lot from it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/late-1800s-WHEELMAKING-Wood-Wheel-Design-Construction-/230935247994?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c4d03c7a&_uhb=1

Originally Posted by mardtrp

Hmm, so you didn’t even bother to any research about “wheelwrighting” then.


Looks like you decided to ignore centuries of practical advancements in wheel making and decided to re-invent the wheel.

Please DO check out how they should be shaped.

Here's a book that will show how wheels are made, it's well worth acquiring, you will learn a lot from it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/late-1800s-WHEELMAKING-Wood-Wheel-Design-Construction-/230935247994?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c4d03c7a&_uhb=1

I'm a model maker , I make what I see.

Originally Posted by mardtrp

Hmm, so you didn’t even bother to any research about “wheelwrighting” then.


Looks like you decided to ignore centuries of practical advancements in wheel making and decided to re-invent the wheel.

Please DO check out how they should be shaped.

Here's a book that will show how wheels are made, it's well worth acquiring, you will learn a lot from it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/late-1800s-WHEELMAKING-Wood-Wheel-Design-Construction-/230935247994?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c4d03c7a&_uhb=1

Any photos of some you have done?

Fabulous work.

(here is some stuff about wagon wheels for later reference if you want)

Regards
SWK

Originally Posted by swk

Fabulous work.

(here is some stuff about wagon wheels for later reference if you want)

Regards
SWK

SWK, Thanks for posting the pic's of wheel drawings. The drawing 9 is as close to how I constructed the wheels , considering the were 15 to 1 scale.
Maybe the member who criticized my wheel making would show some of his work to see how actuate his model making is. John.

Please compare the shape of these spokes that are being made by a Wheelwright, for the use in an actual wagon wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOsHDsVqv0

Then compare the TRUE spoke shape, to the spokes you have made, ---- do you notice the difference ?
The shape of spokes has been evolving over hundreds of years and about the early 1900's, they had it worked out quite well.
There is a very good reason that spokes were made to a certain shape or shapes, so why not do a google and find out what the reasons are?
Now no spoke was ever used/made as per your wild reinvention of the wheel.

A small amount of time spent on research, will vastly improve your modelling ability, why not try it, before you blindly rush into the next model.

You may even produce an accomplished model, instead of a making a blocky wooden toy.

My parting shot, do you realise that the spokes are only 30mm long made by fingers that are 78 years old with no feeling in the tips.

And still no models / photos from our precocious friend.....

I think you have done a great job. I really enjoy the work that is shown here.

Originally Posted by mardtrp

Hmm, so you didn’t even bother to any research about “wheelwrighting” then.


Looks like you decided to ignore centuries of practical advancements in wheel making and decided to re-invent the wheel.

Please DO check out how they should be shaped.

Like this one eh...banner_burra_jinker.jpg

Apparently not ALL wheels were made with slender spokes as the film showed. Even the book mardtrp recommended was specifically about _carriages_ which wouldn't have lasted on a heavily loaded jinker. Isn't it weird, just the same as today's trucks and cars have wheels of different size and construction, so too did transport 100+ years ago. Who would have thought that after centuries of making different size vehicles there would be different types and styles of wheel for different applications.

Originally Posted by mardtrp

Please compare the shape of these spokes that are being made by a Wheelwright, for the use in an actual wagon wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuOsHDsVqv0

Then compare the TRUE spoke shape, to the spokes you have made, ---- do you notice the difference ?
The shape of spokes has been evolving over hundreds of years and about the early 1900's, they had it worked out quite well.
There is a very good reason that spokes were made to a certain shape or shapes, so why not do a google and find out what the reasons are?
Now no spoke was ever used/made as per your wild reinvention of the wheel.

A small amount of time spent on research, will vastly improve your modelling ability, why not try it, before you blindly rush into the next model.

You may even produce an accomplished model, instead of a making a blocky wooden toy.

Um, maybe you should have been a bit more humble in your interpretation and comment, I think an apology would be a good start then you can move onto taking your own advice and do a bit more research on the internet as well.

Good to see the real wood workers sticking together in support of a humble gentleman who's work we all admire.

Hmm, it appears that 'swk' has stated that not all wooden spokes are the same, well that is correct, looks like somebody has at least done a bit of research for some accurate information, well done 'swk'.
So, there are different shaped spokes for different sized wheels and applications, but, the spokes in 'question' are still a figment of nine fingers imagination.

Swk has even added a bit about the large "jinker at Burra", now, all please go and have a look, then actually see what shape, the "jinkers' spokes actually are ?
Please note the construction of the wagon wheel too, as that is how a wooden wagon wheel should be presented as a model.
Note that they are still not even remotely similar to the odd shaped spokes that nine fingers has come up with on his ---.

Maybe a bit more research, will even broaden the horizons of a lot of others on this site as well.

There is a valid reason why wooden spokes have been shaped as they are, possibly somebody on here, might be knowledgable enough to inform others, why they were made in such a way ?
Possibly somebody can even inform others, of why a wooden wheel was made the way it was too.

When I can make spoke wheels as good as Nine Fingers looks I will be a happy man. Constructive criticism will be appreciated, but impolite attacks, for no reason, will be received like water rolling of a duck back.