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    11 members turned up yesterday and there were 3 safety issues and one near miss incident.

    The safety issues were;
    2 Blokes using wood lathes with only their regular glasses for protection.
    1 bloke using a grinder with no eye protection.
    In all cases I grabbed full face shields and handed them to them and they put them on.

    One bloke looked like he had no bearing protection but when I got close I could see he was wearing plus.

    The incident was when an 88 year old sat on a low pile of MDF sheets and the top sheet slipped off and he went for a slippery slide. No injury other than a bit of dented pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelinround View Post

    A clear case of breach of Human Rights laws. The members of one group took matters into their own hands and dismissed the committee shortly after and the group has grown since with women allowed on any day they are open.
    Discrimination and bullying is an area of law where a number of clubs leave themselves wide open to potential action. This is particularly so where a clubs premises is in a public area like a sporting ground or public park / reserve. The uncontrolled actions (i.e. loud comments about passers by etc) of members can create problems outside of the club. I have personally had to deal with such matters & is isn't pleasant persuading an angry family member, who wants to knock a members block off for comments about his wife, to cool off and the club will handle it. Even more difficult when the committee takes no action & same family member sees the club member still there a few weeks later doing the same stuff!!!

    The committees and the office bearers have specific obligations to comply with various laws and are duty bound to act in compliance with the law and to halt the activities of members who do not respect those laws. In a number of organisations I have seen applicants / potential members denied membership on grounds that are clearly a breach of discrimination laws. However in some instances outright insulting comments about passers by from existing members with these very anti-social behaviors are left alone for fear of upsetting the member who happens to be an almost protected species. Far better to get rid of one or two trouble makers who are exposing the club to potential litigation, unrest with residential neighbors other organizations sharing the same park / reserve and causing other members to leave because they can't stand by while such crap goes on.
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    Hi All,
    Boy, don't I love living in Geelong Vic., as we have none of that Crap in our Shed.
    Writer gets upset now & then, but it's water on a ducks back.
    To my way of thinking there far too many hard & fast rules that you Chaps have to attend to.
    Our Shed just bowls along.
    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by issatree View Post
    Hi All,
    Boy, don't I love living in Geelong Vic., as we have none of that Crap in our Shed.
    Writer gets upset now & then, but it's water on a ducks back.
    To my way of thinking there far too many hard & fast rules that you Chaps have to attend to.
    Our Shed just bowls along.
    Society imposes the rules. The problems start with old farts who are relics of a bygone era and who refuse to accept that with membership there are obligations to act in a decent and lawful manner. Several ex-members, all female, when asked why they no longer attended used terms like, dirty old men, MCP's etc. When it is several women and men with the same gripes then there appears to be some substance & truth to the allegations.

    Most members simply want to enjoy the benefits but unfortunately someone has to do all the house keeping & compliance stuff. When you take on the role of secretary etc of a NFP you start to see some / all of the unsavoury stuff no one else wants to deal with, petty arguments that escalate through to threats of litigation, neighbour's complaints about late night (10pm) noise, joke telling sessions; council lawyers giving you a "friendly" call to reign in certain members behaviours - "or go find another location!"

    As I said earlier far better to reign in or get rid of a couple of trouble makers as its the old 2% rule - 2% cause 90% of the trouble.
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    Hi All,
    Like I said I'm glad I'm in our Shed with no crap like you have to put up with. We all get along fine.
    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by issatree View Post
    Hi All,
    Like I said I'm glad I'm in our Shed with no crap like you have to put up with. We all get along fine.
    So far.

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    Will always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by issatree View Post
    Hi All,
    Like I said I'm glad I'm in our Shed with no crap like you have to put up with. We all get along fine.
    Don't tell us how many members your shed has, tell us the number of
    new members of your shed in past year
    last 3 years,
    number inquiries about membership


    the reason I ask, is that there's a Council supported men's shed on Sydney's lower north shore which 4 years ago, was not accepting new members (which was code for "this is our private club, go away")
    regards from Canada

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    This morning there were 19 members and 4 visitors at the mens shed.

    At one point it was very noisy so I did a quick sound survey all at about operator ear level.

    SCMS cutting MDF 97dB
    Triton circular cutting 16mm ply 108dB
    Bosch corded drill drilling 35 mm Jarrah 97dB
    14" bandsaw cutting 50 mm thick Jarrah 87dB
    5" angle grinder on 6 mm steel plate 104dB
    12" disc sander on 20 mm thick pine 84 dB
    Biscuit cutter on 19 mm jarrah 94 dB

    Only one of these people was wearing any hearing protection and one member was not wearing eye protection.

    I announced my findings at morning tea and afterwards I notice everyone wearing muffs / plugs and eye protection.

    It really helped that a retired chippie chimed in and said he had lost more than 50% of his hearing left from using circulars in the trade.

    I was thinking of putting a microphone in the centre of the shed to a display so the general sound level could be shown continually.

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    Great stuff. Just curious, but what would the dB on a thicknesser be Bob?

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    Playing in a band at a particular venue, they had sound level traffic lights. Play in the green and yellow, no problem. Play in the red for more than 3 seconds and it tripped power to the stage. The sound level was set so low, that on our third song the power tripped, and we were not loud by any stretch. We explained that these days all our sound gear is computerised and any more trips we would pack up and leave. They soon ran some leads out from other circuits Back to my point, maybe traffic lights green up to Xdb, yellow up to Ydb and red above Zdb. Just as a quick visual indication rather than a number.

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    Good Morning Bob

    I think you are making progress; well done. Suppose the next step will be backwards...

    Adding to Cava's question, Bob; do you know if there is a correlation between pitch or frequency and ear damage, or just volume? I find moderately high frequency noises much more irritating than very high or low-medium frequency sounds.

    Cava, there is an interesting video on the Felder website about noise levels of jointers and thicknessers - spiral cutters literally halve the noise!
    Silent-POWER® - Comparison spiral knife cutterblock - Felder planing machines - FELDER GROUP AUSTRALIA woodworking machines from Format Sliding Table Saws to Dust Extractors


    Fair Winds

    Graeme

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    We had a small 12" bench top that was 116 db and we got rid of that one.
    The 12" on the SIMCA combination machine is about 105db.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraemeCook View Post
    Good Morning Bob

    I think you are making progress; well done. Suppose the next step will be backwards...
    Yeah I call it small steps.


    Adding to Cava's question, Bob; do you know if there is a correlation between pitch or frequency and ear damage, or just volume? I find moderately high frequency noises much more irritating than very high or low-medium frequency sounds.
    There is no correlation but it's well known that our ears do not respond to all frequencies in the same way and its normal for everyone to be more irritated by medium high frequencies.

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    Thanks, Bob.

    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    Yeah I call it small steps.




    There is no correlation but it's well known that our ears do not respond to all frequencies in the same way and its normal for everyone to be more irritated by medium high frequencies.

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