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  1. #1
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    Default Australian Equivalents of the Kreg Adaptive Cutting System?

    As a preface: I do more metal and automotive work than woodwork, so this post is all about compromises.

    With that out of the way, onto the question. I do a bit of woodwork on the side from time to time, but not enough to justify a full table saw and outfeed etc taking up room in the garage, especially as there is often a car up on stands in the middle. I did build a full embedded table saw and drop saw combo, but it just became another work bench and has been replaced with a proper welding bench.

    Ive seen the Kreg ACS a few times when I have been in the US, and it looks like a reasonable solution to wanting something more versatile than the blow mould trestle table I'm using currently with my track saw.
    Adaptive Cutting System - Kreg Tool Company

    Perhaps the most attractive piece is it being able to be folded up and stored vertically out of the way when I'm not using it.

    However, its currently not available in Australia, and bringing one back from the US is proving less feasible.

    So im wondering whether anyone has found a similar project table locally, or has built one? I was eyeing off the legs of this trestle table and wondering whether a series of vertical drilled sheets of MDF with aluminium 8020 moulding around the outside might work. But something off the shelf would be preferable.

    Ideas?

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    Personally I think you will nee to make something yourself, we don't make any thing in Australia like that ( or any thing else)

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    Yeah. I suspect as much.

    Vaguely hoping that someone will suggest some form of rolling fold up table that i can use as a base.... anyone... anyone.. Bueller.

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    Hi Takaj

    I am not familiar with the Kreg Adaptive System but it seem little more than track saw rails plus a folding utility table.

    Festool, Makita and others make very good track saw systems.

    Festool makes an excellent "multifunction table" system - some love it, others hate it ! - but the concept is relatively simple and you could probably design and make your own. You might find this a nice mixture of woodworking and metal work skills. In my table to drill all those 18mm holes on 100mm centres I used a sheet of peg-board as a template - the holes are on 1" centres so I just drilled through every fourth hole with a forstner bit.


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    The Parf Guides are incredible --> UJK Technology Parf Guide System Edit: There is a Mark 2... nice!

    I use my Parf table constantly (and I have a Festool table too, but use the Parf instead).

    It is absolutely worth your time to watch their videos on YouTube ... Peter is a good bloke too.



    With a set of dogs and the Festool Rail and saw I can do pretty much anything panel related. I've yet to use the router and rail on it, but that is happening tomorrow!

    As Graeme says, any rail system is fine, the underlying Parf table will transform your work.

    The other tool I have, but now dont use, are the Seneca Parallel Guides (which I'm selling this week, in the short and long version as a kit*). These really worked incredibly well.

    The other thing you could make, with it, is a "Paulk Workbench"...





    * selling as I now have an Itty Bitty living space

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    Default Kreg - some things to really like

    I watched the video, below.

    There are some VERY good ideas well worth using if one has a Festool MFT table or a DIY Parf or Paulk.....

    -- the inbuilt measurement channels (yes, I could use the Incra rails for that) at 1'59"
    -- the same chanels that act as a repeating-cut thickness at 0'52 and 1'04"
    -- the side attachements to make an outrigger.... at 0'58"

    As for angles, these can pretty much all be done using just the holes and bench dogs, and working out a bit of geometry. No need for the fancy mega-protractor.

    These new systems are really taking the rod to Festools MFT solution, arent they!



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    The base kit is available on Amazon for AUD536 and shipping is AUD269. https://www.amazon.com/Adaptive-Cutt.../dp/B07NC5CVDM

    It has everything but the cart, which may be bought separately.... https://www.amazon.com/Adaptive-Cutt.../dp/B07NC4Y9ZT and 175 shipping. It must be a heavy bugger @ 85 pounds....

    Edit: Sydney Tools and Total Tools are official dealers, so they would be able to order it in... maybe without all the import costs..... but a bit slower...

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    I like kreg stuff but that thing is expensive.

    Personally I'd get a pair of GOOD B&D workmates and make a top for it. Box out of ply or mdf and make it so you can tilt it off the workmates and wheel it to your wall.

    I have the progrip system which I use a lot. It's probably more versatile than the track saws but carbatec don't stock them anymore and peachtree don't seem to ship to australia.

    How much sheet goods sawing do you do ? I know it does other things but it is really for that.
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    Also going to add to this conversation - if you have a Festool/Makita/Triton track saw, and want portable, repeatable accuracy, take a look at: TSO Parallel Guide System for Festool, Makita and Trition Track Saws

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodPixel View Post
    The base kit is available on Amazon for AUD536 and shipping is AUD269. https://www.amazon.com/Adaptive-Cutt.../dp/B07NC5CVDM

    It has everything but the cart, which may be bought separately.... https://www.amazon.com/Adaptive-Cutt.../dp/B07NC4Y9ZT and 175 shipping. It must be a heavy bugger @ 85 pounds....

    Edit: Sydney Tools and Total Tools are official dealers, so they would be able to order it in... maybe without all the import costs..... but a bit slower...
    Its not so much heavy, but bulky, and hence costs a lot to ship. Im planning on seeing if one of the Home Depots near LAX has a setup on my way through, that way i can figure out if it is possible to bring back as oversize luggage.

    None of the places I have asked can order it in, they all say it doesnt even appear on the distributor's lists. I wonder if its a US only product currently.

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    The ShopNShip is purely a pay by weight service.

    You could bring in a cubic metre of feathers and still only pay for a kilogram.

    I've not found a consumer level means of shipping that is cheaper.

    BUT, they dont do a consolidation service yet. It is coming (no time frame). For consolidation services you'll need to try ComGateway, but they are a cubic-based service and use the standard $/300kg/m3 model.

    Containers and pallets are a different story, but they are a completely different undertaking.

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