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    I'm in the process of planning to make a bench for when I get my Domino. I'll also be using it for assembly work.
    I'm going to use 70x70mm pine for the legs and aprons. I initially planned to glue two pieces of 16mm mdf together for the top. However I have now decided to use hardwood - most likely well seasoned jarrah (i'll get it from the canberra show next weekend hopefully)
    I think this will be good practice for me as I have never done a table top before. I have a fairly good understanding on how to do it from reading, but I thought i'd share it and let anyone critique me/give me some pointers on what to do and what not to do.

    So here it goes....

    - Dress it to size: overall dimension will be 1157mmx773mmx30-40mm (same as the festool MFT table The height will be the same as my table saw, so it can act as an outfeed table aswell.
    I have an 8inch jointer so my panels will be approx 1300(extra length to trim down at the end)x180mmx30-40mm

    - I'll then sticker the boards and place a weight on top and let the timber adjust to the humidity of my garage for a few days and ensure it doesn't warp/twist
    Or should I clamp all the panels down to a flat surface? I just thought that as it's been dressed up it needs to the air to adapt to the humidity, ?

    - I'll then glue up the panel (this is where the domino would be great, but I won't be getting it until October) and wait for it to dry over night.

    - Scrape off glue with a chisel after about 30 mins.

    - Once completely dry, sand the panel to 320 using a ROS

    - Cut to final lenth using either my table saw or router (1157mm)

    Now to attach the table top to the apron I was going to use S clips so the top can expand and contract. To do this I am going to cut a rebate in the aprons about 20mm from the top (depending on size of clips) and then screw it to top.


    So is this the right way to do it? Or am I going about it the wrong way.
    I used Scott's thread - which was very helpful, thanks Wongo
    https://www.woodworkforums.com/f11/ma...ep-step-61857/

    Also where do you buy s clips from? I tried bunnings but they apparently didn't sell them.
    And with regards to the finish, what do you experts believe is the best for this sort of table.

    Thanks for any advice or input -
    I'm really looking forward to replies

    Andy

    P.S - i'll post some pics up when I get around to making it.

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    Hi Andy,

    I'm heading down a similiar path (assembly table for the Domino). Here are some of the thoughts I've had in the past 24 hours...

    I haven't even got as far as to what size it will be, but was thinking of a manufactured top around 1" thick. I will then drill in some 3/4" holes to take some bench dogs. The ones I will likely go with are these from McJing. I'll probably go with 8 of the plastic 'low profile bench dogs' (if anyone has a Black and Decker Workmate they will know these things), and one or two of the Wonderdogs. The 'adjustable hold down clamps' also look good too.

    I can't for the life of me find it now, but someone just recently posted about their Domino bench. See if you can find it - it was pretty good. (EDIT: Here 'tis. Waldo's, of course! https://www.woodworkforums.com/f58/buying-domino-121582/). Its in your thread, uses the domino to cut the holes and uses dominos for the dogs - a good idea. I might just do that now!).

    I'll put some drawers underneath as I can never have too much storage, and also somewhere for the systainers to go. What I would also like to add to it is a copy of the metal arm which holds the vacuum hose and power cord on the genuine MFT table - but I guess this can be retrofitted at any time.

    Good luck with yours.

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    Hi Andy,
    If you want to do it this way to experience the process go right ahead Your steps look OK from a quick look. If you are only lightly dressing the boards you can thickness to the final dimension, but if you are taking a significant amount off it might be prudent to finish them a few mm oversize and let them sit a week or two to see what they do, then finish dressing to final dimensions.
    When glueing up the panels, the old up, down, up down trick for arranging the end grain is a bit of a furphy. Since you're attaching the top all the way across with brackets, it will be well supported, I would just arrange the boards for best appearance. Several professional furniture makers/teachers I know actually build with all facing one way. The reasons can best be summed up in the explanation in this link.

    However, if you want to build a trouble free assembly bench that is guaranteed to stay flat (always a good thing for glue-ups) you might consider using xanita board for the top. It's a torsion box and bloody strong (you can drive a forklift on it) and is even available in melamine for easy cleanup of glue residue. I used it for my assembly bench and can highly recommend it.

    Cheers
    Michael

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    Wow what a beautiful workbench you made Michael - leg vice and all!

    I remember Richard Vaughan mentioning the Xantia board at one of the wood shows. Did you drill down into yours? How would the Domino holes go - would they still be a clean cut in the Xantia board, or how about drilling 3/4" holes?

    Their site doesn't list where you can buy it, so I've flicked them an email.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_wanna_Shed View Post
    Wow what a beautiful workbench you made Michael - leg vice and all!

    I remember Richard Vaughan mentioning the Xantia board at one of the wood shows. Did you drill down into yours? How would the Domino holes go - would they still be a clean cut in the Xantia board, or how about drilling 3/4" holes?

    Their site doesn't list where you can buy it, so I've flicked them an email.

    Thanks,
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    Thanks Nathan The workbench part is in oregon and I did not need to drill any dogholes in the assembly bench part of it so I don't know about that or how dominoes might go. I sort of assumed that the Domino reference was to using the bench to hold and make stuff with the Domino, not make it with the Domino.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by mic-d View Post
    Hi Andy,
    If you want to do it this way to experience the process go right ahead Your steps look OK from a quick look. If you are only lightly dressing the boards you can thickness to the final dimension, but if you are taking a significant amount off it might be prudent to finish them a few mm oversize and let them sit a week or two to see what they do, then finish dressing to final dimensions.

    Cheers
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    Nice bench Michael, looks very strong and sturdy
    When you say lightly dressing, is their a figure?
    Say I got a 50mm thick jarrah piece and I resawed it, then dressed it up a few mm would this also need to sit in the garage for a week or two?
    Or is it just when you plan the boards on both faces?

    And when you say sit - do you suggest using stickers or jus clamping them all down flat?

    Andy

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    Also if I wanted to put solid wood edging on the top, would I be able to just put it straight on or would I need a floating style panel to allow for movement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by groeneaj View Post
    Nice bench Michael, looks very strong and sturdy
    When you say lightly dressing, is their a figure?
    Say I got a 50mm thick jarrah piece and I resawed it, then dressed it up a few mm would this also need to sit in the garage for a week or two?
    Or is it just when you plan the boards on both faces?

    And when you say sit - do you suggest using stickers or jus clamping them all down flat?

    Andy
    Hi Andy, if you were to just need to dress a 25mm board down to say 22 mm, that would be OK I think, but if you are resawing that 50mm piece into two 23-24mm pieces, you need to let those sit for a couple of weeks til they settle down, then dress them.
    Quote Originally Posted by groeneaj View Post
    Also if I wanted to put solid wood edging on the top, would I be able to just put it straight on or would I need a floating style panel to allow for movement?
    If you mean the xanita board, yes you can just glue the lipping straight on.

    Cheers
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    Thanks for the reply.
    I actually meant the hardwood top with hardwood edging. How can this be achieved to allow for movement?

    Andy

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    On the long grain sides you could glue on a lipping if you want say a different colour, but you have to put the end grain sides on with a floating connection. Look up bread board ends.

    Cheers
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    Cheers for that - Iv'e since looked them, it's exactly what I want to achieve.

    Does anyone know where I can buy those S clips from? Or should I just make my own style ones?


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    Are these the ones you want?

    cheers
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    I think so - can anyone confirm ?

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    Is there a way of dong a breadboard edge with a domino? Maybe just glue the ends and have dominos every few inches for alligment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by groeneaj View Post
    Is there a way of dong a breadboard edge with a domino? Maybe just glue the ends and have dominos every few inches for alligment?
    Yes why not, I think it would look good if the dominoes were a contrasting colour too. You want to glue the middle only, not the ends. The central domino should be a tight fit but the holes for the others need to be oversize to allow for seasonal movement. You should leave the bread board ends a bit longer unless you know for certain that the timber is at its highest moisture content and will only shrink. Otherwise they may grow past the ends which isn't a good look.

    CHeers Michael

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