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  1. #46
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    PRIMARY FUNCTION: Hand tools – planning, chisels, saws,

    DIMENSIONS in mm: 2030 x ~600 x 830

    MATERIALS (timber species etc): Pinus bunningsus (MGP10), Finish is BLO

    VISES INCLUDED: 10” carbatec lined with KD hardwood

    LINK TO YOUR BUILD THREAD (if applicable): Oops – forgot to do something

    BRIEF DESCRIPTION:
    I wanted to build a bench – so I built a bench. I didn’t want my mistakes to cost a lot – so I built it from structural pine. So far I am happy with it. Very solid.
    The job sitting on top is for a set of drawers I am building to sit under the top. All up they will be 650 (l) x 475 (h) x 540 (d) and consist of 4 drawers 2 x 85 high, 1 x 100 high and 1 x 150

    THINGS YOU PARTICULARLY LIKE :
    It the right height – plus I have a piece from the top that’s another 500 long that I can throw on top to raise the height a bit for detail work.

    THINGS YOU PARTICULARLY DIDN'T LIKE : spending a lot of time at the commercials sheds trying to find straight pieces of timber (grrrr)

    THINGS THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE (in retrospect):
    I haven’t had it long enough to work that out yet. But I have left space for an end vice at a later date.

    THINGS THAT YOU WOULD INCORPORATE NEXT TIME : See above

    WHAT or WHO INSPIRED SOME OF THE INCLUSIONS (provide links): Google and the benches in the forum.

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  3. #47
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    Nice bench, Enelef. I don't think you need apologise for the pine, it is tough enough for the purpose, & will serve you well. Any bench, whatever it's made from, gets marked up, so looking on the bright side, yours will be easier to plane than a chunk of Spotted Gum!

    I see you have dog holes in the vise, but none in the bench top - I presume they are yet to be drilled?

    Cheers,
    IW

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    Enelef

    I agree with Ian on at least two counts. Firstly that is a very smart bench and the pine has come up extremely well. Also very practical to work on colour wise. If you are ever worried that the bench will sustain damage from the work you are doing, place a piece of sacrificial hardboard or MDF on the top for that job.

    Secondly, I entirely agree that the pine would be so much easier to dress up than, for example, Spotted Gum .

    Excelent job and good to see people still putting up posts of their benches. I'm sure it will provide inspiration for many .

    Regards
    Paul
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    Thank your, enelef, for the great explanation and pics. Inspiring, Bill.

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    Thanks for the kind comments.

    Ian - dog holes for the bench top will come later to match the vice.
    I am also trying to find/locate/build some holdfasts as well - but that is proving challenging? Overly challenging for something that is in effect a piece of 3/8" mild steel that has been bent into a soft hook with a flattened end.

    ATM I am very happy with the outcome, with both the pine and the BLO. The bench provides a solid footing for chopping out the waste on the dovetails.

    Cheers
    Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can? -- Sun Tzu

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    A very fine bench, yours has some features that I also put into mine.



    Pete

  8. #52
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    Default My latest version of my bench

    PRIMARY FUNCTION: Hand tools and general Maintenance type work (read bashing stuff with a hammer

    DIMENSIONS in mm: 2800 L x 800 H approx with 7.6 cm (3 inch) thick top

    MATERIALS (timber species etc): Jarrah and more Jarrah

    VISES INCLUDED: Record 53 and a 52 1/2 plus in the picture is an old Dawn metalworking vice that bolts on through the dog holes.

    LINK TO YOUR BUILD THREAD (if applicable) I didn't do a build thread.

    BRIEF DESCRIPTION:
    Solid Jarrah bench that I made about 2006 out of old jarrah posts and laminated 3 inch timber.

    THINGS YOU PARTICULARLY LIKE :
    solid and doesn't move plus nice and long so that I can work from both ends on different jobs with several vice options, plus the sliding dead-man is nice.

    THINGS YOU PARTICULARLY DIDN'T LIKE : too wide and first time I made it too high but I lowered it to match my table saw and my other cabinets so all is good.

    THINGS THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE (in retrospect):
    I would install a twin screw face vice (which i have but have not installed) and I would make the dog holes closer to the edge for better holding, also not sure I would make my next bench with a face board along its length as it interferes with any possible storage / drawers under the top.

    THINGS THAT YOU WOULD INCORPORATE NEXT TIME : See above, plus maybe a wagon vice.

    WHAT or WHO INSPIRED SOME OF THE INCLUSIONS (provide links): too many different influences to pin down, its a bit of a mongrel bench.
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    Stevepay

    That's a very nice bench. You are fortunate to have the room for a large bench. Well done.

    i couldn't help noticing an impressive array of moulding planes below the bench too.

    Regards
    Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by enelef View Post
    Thanks for the kind comments.

    Ian - dog holes for the bench top will come later to match the vice.
    I am also trying to find/locate/build some holdfasts as well - but that is proving challenging? Overly challenging for something that is in effect a piece of 3/8" mild steel that has been bent into a soft hook with a flattened end.

    ATM I am very happy with the outcome, with both the pine and the BLO. The bench provides a solid footing for chopping out the waste on the dovetails.

    Cheers
    Enelef

    3/8" might be a little light on for a holdfast. Did you mean 3/4"?

    Regards
    Paul
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    Rooly noice bench there enelef!!!

    Wise decision on the pine for all the reasons already stated..
    I think paul is right about the holdfast.

    Like your bench to Steve!!

    Solid, well thought out and versatile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmiller View Post
    Stevepay

    That's a very nice bench. You are fortunate to have the room for a large bench. Well done.

    i couldn't help noticing an impressive array of moulding planes below the bench too.

    Regards
    Paul
    Thanks Paul,

    believe it or not the bench started with 3m lenghts of timber but I had to cut them down as it wouldn't fit in my old shop .

    The moulding planes I've had for years and every time I watch an episode of the Woodwrights shop I get keen and have a go! then I remember that he actually knows what he's doing and revert to form (Router )

    By the way I noticed in my original post about this bench when I built it that I had a preference for a higher bench, its funny how since then I have now come to prefer a lower bench that matches the surrounding cabinets and table saw etc... when I want to get up close now say to cut dovetails etc... I use a stool

    Steve

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    Hi Paul

    yep - dead right 3/8 is a little thin. Should have been 5/8 mild steel into a 3/4 hole to allow it to skew and lock.
    Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can? -- Sun Tzu

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    Hi everyone,

    There are some incredible looking benches here that gives me more inspiration to hurry up and build my own.

    I do have a couple of (possibly stupid) questions about the dogs and dog holes,

    When drilling the holes into the bench top, are they drilled right through? If they are, does the dogs sometimes fall deeper down making it harder to get back out?
    But if the holes are partially drilled, how would the shavings, dust etc escape without having to air blow or scrape out?
    Or are the holes drilled partially then tapered to a smaller hole to fix for both problems?

    I've looked at the Carbatec site thinking bench dogs are relatively cheap, no they're not, not at all. So I was thinking of making my own from either threaded rod or dowel, or both. I'm thinking of slightly filing the threaded rod on one side just to get a straight edge while still having a little bit of teeth to hold work down. Am wandering if this would be possible? I'm just thinking the wooden dowel will tend to get more damaged each time I put them in and out of the holes

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    Hiya slidingdovetail
    The holes are drilled for the purpose.
    For me, they will be through the top so i can use a holdfast/s.

    To make your own bench dogs, a piece of 19mm 3/4" dowel with a square of ply screwed and glued does the job.
    I have some for planing - the top piece is 10mm, and some with larger pieces.

    You can also set them up with two pieces of dowel to sit in two holes at the same time with a connecting piece of wood between them. Google bench dog and switch to images for plenty of examples.


    cheers

    norm
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    Quote Originally Posted by slidingdovetail View Post
    ......
    When drilling the holes into the bench top, are they drilled right through? If they are, does the dogs sometimes fall deeper down making it harder to get back out?
    But if the holes are partially drilled, how would the shavings, dust etc escape without having to air blow or scrape out?
    Or are the holes drilled partially then tapered to a smaller hole to fix for both problems?
    Aha, SD, good thinking!
    You are absolutely correct that blind dog holes, or even those with a constriction can be an absolute PITA. I have a couple on my front vise, that aren't properly through, because the drill bit I used wasn't quite long enough to break through completely. They collect rubbish with an efficiency that defies belief. I keep meaning to fix them, but always forget until I go to use them!

    You are also correct that round dogs present a problem with disappearing into the bench, unless there is some means of preventing that from happening. The traditional square dogs (which I favour) are made with a projecting front face, which fits into a stepped hole. They are usually made so they can be pushed down flush with the bench top, but no further (you need to be able to reach under the bench & poke them up a bit when needed, of course). It is usual to make the square dog holes during bench construction, as it is quite difficult to add stepped, square holes to an existing bench. It can be done, of course, but it is far better to plan ahead if you want square dogs.

    There are several ways to make a dog stay at the height you want it to. The simplest & best way I know is to use a small ball-catch let into the dog. It's quite easy to fit a ball-catch to a square dog, but it would be a bit trickier to do with a round one..........

    Cheers,
    IW

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