Thread: A few thoughts about Ornamental Turning and design?

Have you both looked at your locations Canada 205 km, 3 hours 18 mins via Crowsnest Hwy/BC-3 W ok so a little distance check top right of the box in each others posts.


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Gee the OTGA here had a member travel 1200k's round trip to come to meetings.

Is there an Ornamental Turners group in Canada maybe OTI or the SOT know of more like minded people maybe start a group.

Now freaky is both called Pete

Now going to have to call you Miner ain't I and QC
Miner not much smaller is my workshop the suggestion by QC is a good one or you can build one like we use check out the Ornamental Turners Group gallery 3 pages of various machines.

Hi Pete,
You have again come up with some interesting points.

"Packratitus" (cough, cough) I may have neglected to mention the 2'x11'6" closet space I have in my shop. Opening the doors could be life threatening.

That idea about the 5c spin index is really good. I needed one more excuse to buy a full set of 5c's. And a spin index would be useful for other work too. I just checked out Steve's pictures. Very clever. I would have never thought to combine things like that. It's obvious where the current L/W rose engine started out.

"Impressive tools" I'm certainly happy and greatful for what I have but if I had to do it again I probably would have done things slightly different. LOL, I would have moved.

Your point about something smaller/cheaper is a great one. It would be much easier to at least make a few semi informed decisions after getting a little experience.

There's some really good design information in that Rambling Rose Engine link. Many thanks for posting that. It's going to take awhile to go thru what's on the site.

Thanks again Pete, You've been a huge help.

Edited to add,
Wheelin, You type faster than I do. Yeah I did know QC's location, In fact we've discussed OT a bit on another forum a year or 2 ago. I think it was the chaski site if I remember right. The speed I type at it would be much faster to phone him. Really have to thank you for the machine links. Those will help a lot.

Pete

Yup we know how far we are apart. The drive will get longer soon once the snow starts falling for the winter. But since both of us have not got a machine there wouldn't be much that we couldn't show and discuss by email or Skype for now.

There are members that meet in Washington at Jon Magill's (the MDF guy) shop once a year or so. There are usually about 20ish people that come with about 8 - 10 bringing their MDF's. The other Pete would be welcome there if he wished to come (valid passport needed ) and I will let him know when the next one is held.

You can call us Pete and Re-Pete.

Pete

Originally Posted by QC Inspector

Yup we know how far we are apart. The drive will get longer soon once the snow starts falling for the winter. But since both of us have not got a machine there wouldn't be much that we couldn't show and discuss by email or Skype for now.

There are members that meet in Washington at Jon Magill's (the MDF guy) shop once a year or so. There are usually about 20ish people that come with about 8 - 10 bringing their MDF's. The other Pete would be welcome there if he wished to come (valid passport needed ) and I will let him know when the next one is held.

You can call us Pete and Re-Pete.

Pete

Your going to allow a little snow to slow you down then again you have said about modern technology.

So it begins the Canadian Ornamental Turners Association COTA for short
or should that be
Canada Ornamental Association Turners COAT could call it the old COAT's

"Snow"? I use to drive tractor trailer across Canada in the dead of winter, 3,000 miles a week, Snow,rain,black ice. I usually speed up in the snow now. It keeps the real idiots away from me.

(miner) Pete

Originally Posted by Miner

Hi Pete,
It's obvious where the current L/W rose engine started out.

Pete

Actually Re-Pete the design of the L/W came from Steve's love of the old straightline engines that were used for Guilloche decoration of watches, cigarette cases, compacts, pens and....... He used the layout for basis of the
rose engine he developed with David Lindow.

The 5C Spindex version was inspired by another OTI member, Randy Knapp. I have some pictures of his that are unfortunately on another virus plagued laptop and I can't get much off it. One advantage of the 5C is that an object turned on one lathe with 5C will still be pretty much concentric when mounted in another machine. So rough turned on a metal lathe, decorated on the 5C rose engine and then remounted in the collet of the 1st lathe for additional turning and then switched to a 5C fixtured on a milling machine, and back to the rose engine. You get the idea.

Pete

Now let's not start calling each other names.

Oh! Sorry. Thought you said old GOAT.

Re-Pete I drive a Smarty. When it snows I stay home!!!

Pete

Yeah I've wanted a 5C collet chuck for my lathe for quite awhile now. Adding 5c capabilities to my shop would be a huge bonus for almost everything. A few extra adapter mounts would have to be made for the mill table, R/T and Dividing head but I was planning on those anyway.

Wheelin, good one.

(miner) Pete

plans are available you have the tools ......minor oops miner-Pete

How to Make an "Exact Adjust" 5C Collet Chuck

Wheelinround, do you have a link to the construction of the OT machine in your post? I have seen it or something like it in the past. In my junk pile and with my lathe chucks etc, I have the basics to make one, I have the 1" all thread, an index wheel, the same chuck as pictured, plus a junk pile of steel and aluminum.

thanks

Marvin

Marvin,
Since your located in the U.S. I'll mention a few machine tool suppliers that You may not know about, For scratch building equipment they offer a huge ammount of off the shelf parts that could be used. Unless you have machine tools, Most woodworkers don't really know about just what's avalible. Depending on what your looking for it may require a bit of time using various search terms on their websites.

I'd throw direct links on here except for the fact I don't know how. Try Googleing

MSC Indusrial supply.
Grainger industrial supply
Enco
McMaster Carr
Even Ebay would have some parts that could be used from equipment that has been parted out.

There's many others too. It's easy to get items like handwheels, Acme rod and nuts, metal, bearings of any type, Collet chucks, Plain arbours, And on and on. Some of it might require a little light machining to suit your design, if your not set up for that then any small machine shop could easily do the work. The above companys are really handy for hard to get parts.

I'm not responsible for the reduction in your cash flow if you visit any the above sites.

Pete

I found the plans for it, you can find it at this link. RoseEngine

I use ENCO and McMaster Carr for most of my supplies. I am a game call maker, as in coyote and turkey calls, for some of my tooling I have to make it myself, so I have an Atlas 618 and an import 7x12 lathe. And access to 2 machine shops.

The link said to expect to spend $200, being a gadget maker, I know that the $200 is $400 before I start. In this case I have the index wheel, the 1" all thread with nuts, the Nova chuck, and a scrap pile of lumber, plywood, steel and aluminum. Which in translation means the $200 that is really $400 will soon be $600.

Marvin

Marvin,
I'd say your cost analysis is much closer to the truth. I've also found if a mark 2 model is built just to make some personal improvements then the cost gets doubled again.

Thanks for posting that link, That's a new one that I hadn't seen before. Your well set up to do any machining that would be required. One company I forgot to mention, Small Parts .com They had a lot of design information on that site the last time I checked.

Pete

Before ordering from Small Parts, check on Amazon, they are a seller for Small Parts. I get my copper and brass wire from Amazon, that is from Small Parts. I found the shipping to be cheaper, and if you have a Prime account with Amazon the shipping can be free.

After looking at the plans, I realized I am way ahead of the game, I also have the cross slide and a trim router, that means my cost will probably easily exceed my $600 estimate. But this will have to wait, hunting season has started and making calls will have to take priority.

Marvin