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    Default Update: 15mm Plywood Lining

    Been a while since the last update...

    Unfortunately, the day after I open the pack of ply, the humidity went bonkers, along with the ply!
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    I had always planned to paint the ply, so I set up multiple settling and drying stations to assist with stabilisation. Thankfully, most boards returned to state of 'flat' and could begin installing.
    Shed Lining - Drying Stations.jpg Shed Lining - Gaps.jpg Shed Lining - Cut Out.jpg Shed Lining - Window.jpg

    I included removable sections to the walls, a 'just-in-case' option.
    Shed Lining - Fixing Battens.jpg


    • Plywood Used: CD 15mm 2700x1200 F11 (ECOply from Charter Holt Harvey).
      • Thoughts - Not the best CD ply I have used, but it does the job.

    • Paint Used - Undercoat: Spring White Acrylic Sealer (cheap-ass sealer from the B store).
      • Thoughts - Not bad given I didn't prep the ply and the price

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    Hi Junkie

    How much did CHH sting you for the 15mm ply? LIke yourself I am up for a lot of the stuff for the 14m x 8m mancave. My stud height is over 3m as well so that's an additional challenge.

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    Default Machinery Update

    Man-o-man, who would have thought that buying machinery could be so tedious...

    Lessons learn't:
    1. Pricing can be more guarded than the 2nd amendment
    2. Spec sheets often don't reflect what's on offer (as a standard)
    3. Be prepared to wait 6 - 8 months for a machine not in stock
    4. Patience level required - Zen master!


    I've had to change my machinery listing multiple times due to wait times/specs etc. and I'm still yet to lock it down.

    With a recent sale at Carbatec, I scored a good deal on a Powermatic 20" Industrial Helical Head Thicknesser (3 Phase). Bonus is that means no more combo planer/thicknesser... I just need to find a good planer now.

    Picking it up was easy. Hired a trailer and it was forked on. Getting the 400kg item off the trailer, not so much... I hoped to used a neighbour's excavator, but he said it wouldn't be able to lift the weight. Was forced to use an engine lift, but ran into problems once I backed into the shed.
    Thicky - Trailer.jpg Thicky - Trailer 2.jpg Thicky - Problem.jpg

    I ended up placing the engine lift on the remaining ply so that it was the same height as the trailer. Slow and careful 'lifts' were required to pull the skid closer to the engine lift. I removed the tail gate and built a timber ramp and wedge so that the trailer lights etc. wouldn't get damaged. It was nerve racking as I needed to get the trailer back but didn't want the thicky and engine lift to come crashing down. Got there in the end...
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    Moved the engine lift to the floor and built another low platform to get the thicky onto the floor over a series of lifts.

    Needless to say, I'll be hiring a forklift for the other machinery...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham99 View Post
    How much did CHH sting you for the 15mm ply?
    Hey Graham,

    I ended up buying a pack, so the price was $50.97 (excl GST) for 2700x1200 sheets. CHH was just the manufacturer, I bought the ply direct from a wholesaler i.e. middle man. I did shop around as prices varied quite a bit. I think the first quote I got was around $80. That's pack price, excl GST and per sheet...

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham99 View Post
    LIke yourself I am up for a lot of the stuff for the 14m x 8m mancave. My stud height is over 3m as well so that's an additional challenge.
    Yeah, I was lucky with my walls being 2700mm, so it was an 'easy' fix. I haven't run the numbers, but it might be cheaper (for you) to use 2400x1200 and therefore would need less cuts.

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    Good progress Junkie, and a much better idea to have a dedicated thicky (I use my combo machine as a thicky about 70-80% of its total usage).

    Quote Originally Posted by Graham99 View Post
    How much did CHH sting you for the 15mm ply? LIke yourself I am up for a lot of the stuff for the 14m x 8m mancave. My stud height is over 3m as well so that's an additional challenge.
    Graham, have a look here:
    http://www.trademasterjoinery.com.au/

    under wood panels, you'll find "Reject Grade ply" at a pretty good price. They are in Granville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junkie View Post
    I ended up buying a pack, so the price was $50.97 (excl GST) for 2700x1200 sheets.
    WWWHHAAAT?
    50 bucks a sheets for CD from a wholesaler? Best not click on that link I put up for Graham.......don't do it......steady......
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    Good progress Junkie, and a much better idea to have a dedicated thicky (I use my combo machine as a thicky about 70-80% of its total usage).
    Cheers FF

    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    http://www.trademasterjoinery.com.au/
    under wood panels, you'll find "Reject Grade ply" at a pretty good price.
    Wowser! Those prices are fantastic! Hopefully they have more in stock soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    WWWHHAAAT?
    50 bucks a sheets for CD from a wholesaler? Best not click on that link I put up for Graham.......don't do it......steady......
    Lol, too late!

    2700x1200 is dearer than 2400x1200 though... And Brisbane prices are rather silly. Trying to find good (local) pricing on 150mm+ ducting... rarer than an honest pollie!

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    Default Lights

    Managed to find some tri-proof lights (within Aus), that didn't break the bank. After pricing some other brands, these seemed pretty good. All lights are have their own socket, so swapping out will be a breeze.
    I went with 2 lights per bay and hung them with jack chain, so adjusting them later should be an easy task. It also allows for ducting to sit above the lights.
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    I looked at Big Ass Fans' 'The Garage Light'...
    Fantastic light, but lets just say that the 6 lights I got, left me with plenty of change from the price of one 'Garage Light'.


    • LED Lights: 6 x Led Batten 6500k TriProof Ip65 Weather Resistant 40watts from DUG Lighting
      • The shed seems bright enough, but will revisit the lighting once everything is in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    WWWHHAAAT?
    50 bucks a sheets for CD from a wholesaler? Best not click on that link I put up for Graham.......don't do it......steady......
    I clicked on it.......have to agree with you Fence Furniture, definitely don't click on the link Junkie.

    I know where I am going for the ply though, just got to buy a pack and ship it 200km north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham99 View Post
    I know where I am going for the ply though, just got to buy a pack and ship it 200km north.
    Where from?
    And what size/grade have you decided on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junkie View Post
    LED Lights: 6 x Led Batten 6500k TriProof Ip65 Weather Resistant 40watts from DUG Lighting The shed seems bright enough, but will revisit the lighting once everything is in place.
    Its pretty common to underestimate the amount of lighting required especially when there is nothing much in a shed

    As a guide the recommend light levels for workshops is 750 lm/m^2

    6 x 3200 lumens per light fitting will give you 19,200 lm divided by 72 m^2 only gives you 267 lm/m^2

    My shed is only 42 square meters and I have about 20,000 lm of general lighting plus several spots in there and still find it's not bright enough sometimes.

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    Agreed Bob - better to have lights you can turn off than to not have lights you can turn on. I have several task lights - maybe 5 (it's a 15m shed). LED lighting is so cheap to run that it doesn't make any sense to skimp on it, these days.

    To be clear, it's not just about the lumens, it's more about the lux. Wikipedia explains it here, but the short story is that lumens is a measure of how much light is put by the source, but lux is a measure of how much light falls on the surface to be lit. You can think of it this way: a light source of "x" lumens will throw a different amount of light on a surface that is say 3 metres from the source than it will on a surface that is 6 metres from it - exactly of the light, following the Inverse Square law. Distance from the light source is not the only thing that affects lux - it is also that shape of the light. A 1200mm long tube that is 18 watts will diffuse its light all over the place (including straight up to the ceiling which can be fairly useless depending on the ceiling colour), but an 18w globe in a parabolic reflector will result in far more light shed on a surface the same distance away (because it's focussed on that surface).

    That's why task lights are so important - they shed increased lux on the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenceFurniture View Post
    WWWHHAAAT?
    50 bucks a sheets for CD from a wholesaler? Best not click on that link I put up for Graham.......don't do it......steady......
    I rang them up last year to get a price on 3 sheets of furniture grade ply. Prices were fantastic. Then I asked delivery costs - $254.00 - yep, you read it correctly - $254.00 to deliver it. Ended up buying from Hardware and General. Prices were dearer but freight was free

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    Junkie

    Consider moving future equipment around using short lengths of pipe. Remember to place timber bearers under your machine in the trailer and possibly put the pipe already in place too. It is not too hard to lever up the machine to remove the bearers so the machine will be on the "rollers" when you reach the destination..

    To remove the machine from the trailer you will need a ramp, more pipes and a come-along style winch or similar. The come-along can be used to slow the descent of the machine down the ramp as well as pulling it to the back of the trailer. Leave the trailer connected to your towing vehicle where possible to prevent the trailer tipping when the weight goes past the wheels.

    If that is not possible place stands or jacks to prevent that happening.

    Some while ago I bought machinery from a guy who had a joinery. He had moved all the machines in this way by himself. Not that remarkable in itself except that the jointer was a 24" 400kg monster and the thicknesser was a one ton behemoth.

    Each machine was mounted on a concrete plinth about 6 inches above the DIRT floor.

    I think your situation would be a doddle in comparrison. My experience of this method is that the hardest thing is making a ramp from the trailer to the floor that does not have a lip and will not fall from the trailer at a bad moment.

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