Thread: Council and 2nd hand shed

The origin of the steel shed in your case is not the problem. The Council will need a development application and relevant structural drawings of the shed with footing and slab details from a registered Engineer.
This is the minimum requirement to start the "roller coaster". You have to do all the hard work for the council before they will look at your proposal. I am certain that you would not have to mention that it is"second hand" because I am pretty sure that it would have no bearing as the Engineers certificate would over ride any problems.

I wont be doing a DA or this structure. We have a CDC (complying construction certificate) we can get that has a 10 day turn around. As long as the structure ticks all the right boxes we are good to go. There is nothing about engineered drawings, slabs anywhere in the CDC or in fact the DA info I have from council.

I hate council!

Well why did you ask your initial question?

Sorry, my initial question still stands.

I imagine I DO have to submit a drawing and the new shed comes with drawings I can use. 2nd hand shed wont...

Its still a "new" building on your property

I did exactly the same thing and was lucky enough that the company which originally built the shed were a good bunch of blokes and I picked up a set of plans for about $50 which had all the specifications to put in my DA through council. See if you can find out who the original supplier was and you might be able to get a set of plans as well.

My apologies for the vagueness of my knowledge. This is my first dealings with DA's CDA's etc.

the 2nd hand shed has no ID marks and the owner bought it 2nd hand and doesn't know it's origin.

The council inspector just called me back and fielded my questions!

I need an engineered slab- not sure if the shed comes with this or not. ranbuild are closed until the 9th December.

Engineered drawings I get with the shed get submitted to council with my CDC application. If I build my own or get a 2nd hand shed I have to get engineered drawings.

Then it's inspected along the way etc.

Thankfully I can get the engineering done for free and save a bit of coin!

The majority of councils in NSW subscribe to the STATE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING POLICY NO 60--EXEMPT AND COMPLYING DEVELOPMENT which allows development as described for your shed without the necessity for DA and the associated red tape.

Bathurst Regional Council is exempt from the provisions of the SEPP as its reforms are leaps and bounds ahead of the SEPP, but it is not alone in this, as several Councils have " seen the light ". Best to check with your local council and perhaps a welcome sujrprise may await you.

You would probably only need basic elevations, together with the site specific engineering.

If the engineer nominates the main section size and signs off on it it should be ok.

I can create basic elevations for you from our shed program if you like? I would need the location and size of the openings.

Originally Posted by wun4us

The majority of councils in NSW subscribe to the STATE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING POLICY NO 60--EXEMPT AND COMPLYING DEVELOPMENT which allows development as described for your shed without the necessity for DA and the associated red tape.

Bathurst Regional Council is exempt from the provisions of the SEPP as its reforms are leaps and bounds ahead of the SEPP, but it is not alone in this, as several Councils have " seen the light ". Best to check with your local council and perhaps a welcome sujrprise may await you.

Our council are bound by the codes SEPP and the shed is within the boundaries for a CDC, however, when I spoke with the council inspector I still need the structure to be engineered to ensure it is structurally sound and so the council are not in anyway liable should it blow away or collapse on me, because, that's how councils roll!

I managed to get some engineered drawings from a manufacturer. My next questions are how close are most of the shed peoples sheds in terms of engineering? And would council notice if they are a little bit different?

Still gotta go inspect the 2nd hand shed to see if it matches the drawings I have been given.

Originally Posted by banjoping

You would probably only need basic elevations, together with the site specific engineering.

If the engineer nominates the main section size and signs off on it it should be ok.

I can create basic elevations for you from our shed program if you like? I would need the location and size of the openings.

Thanks very much. I think I have them in the drawings I have been given, but will take you up on your offer if I dont

You can submit plans without a concrete floor. Instead, show frames supported on square footings. This reduces the shed cost quoted to council and therefore reduces the fees. A concrete slab costs nearly as much as a shed. In your case, with a second hand shed, the slab would be the dearest part. Then pour the floor inside later. Saves a lot of time on form work. Gives a better vermin seal. Treat the lower edges of the cladding to prevent concrete burn damaging the colourbond.

Originally Posted by Onezero

Our council are bound by the codes SEPP and the shed is within the boundaries for a CDC, however, when I spoke with the council inspector I still need the structure to be engineered to ensure it is structurally sound and so the council are not in anyway liable should it blow away or collapse on me, because, that's how councils roll!

I managed to get some engineered drawings from a manufacturer. My next questions are how close are most of the shed peoples sheds in terms of engineering? And would council notice if they are a little bit different?

Still gotta go inspect the 2nd hand shed to see if it matches the drawings I have been given.

I think that the council is being a little pedantic, particularly as it seems the shed is a CDC project, and if so there should not be any fee payable to council for the approval. This is one of the reasons that this system was initiated, to speed up the process and eliminate the red tape; obviously there are exceptions to the general application of the SEPP and CDC system.

Hi folks,

A CDC means a project meets a set criteria and so, does not require a DA (development application).

A DA is simply approval to proceed, with a DA in place you still require the CC (constructuion certificate) which is where inspections and engineering come into play.

CDC or Complying Development Certificates still requires engineering and inspections by council or a private certifier.

It is Exempt Development that does not require the engineering to be certified or inspections to take place and usually applies to things like small structures and remote farm sheds and the like.

I have written more about this topic here Sheds, Councils and Private Certifiers | Steel Sheds in Australia