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    Default Lights for Shed - These are Very Good

    I wanted to replace a few frequently used downlights in our house with LED's so i trotted off to the Big Green Joint and found some HPM LED for $28 each and bought some. Absolutely extroadinary ight out put and I now need sun glasses so to speak. I went back a few weeks later to get more and the price had gone up to about $45 each so I went looking and found these.

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/osram-10...light_p4371078

    They are an Osram light for about $25 each, wired with a three pin plug and I have just replaced all the remaining flouros in my workshop with them. The light output is huge, they seem to have a good spread and a good warranty on them as well. I used the 10.5 watt version but there are less powerful ones available. Because I do not have a ceiling in my shed I made small light boxes/hangers and put the lights in those so I could fix them to the roof joists. For anyone who is running a shed from limited power sources like a extension lead they would be ideal and for anyone else I would highly recommend them for the light output. If I hadn't spent a small fortune on CFL's a few years ago I would put a lot more in.
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    Plus one for this type of light. We replaced our incandescent down lights a couple of years back with similar and the difference is amazing. For work areas though I would probably opt for the daylight ones as a more suitable light source plus they are 900 lumens against 800 lumens for the warm white. I like that they are direct plugin without a seperate LED driver. Might look at mounting a couple over the bench area using your light box idea.

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    LED lights are a relief to me. Low power, brilliance and focused not to splash useless light all over the room.
    One additional value that you probably don't experience =
    CFL's are not instant-on in cold weather.
    In fact, below 15C, I can finish a job before they warm up to full output.

    My workshop can be as cold as 12C in the winter with -25C outdoors.
    All LED now and daylight at the flick of a switch.
    Warming the room up to 17-18C takes as long as usual!

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    I recently ordered 22 LED tube fixtures for the garage and shop, it gets 16 , through Alibaba. they cost about a third of what the Borg and lighting stores were selling LED fixture with equivalent output. 1500mm long x 40mm wide x 40mm high, 4000 lumens with 6000K bright with proper certs for Canada. I couldn't have bought fluorescent fixtures for that. Total cost was about $38Can each in hand. Took 3 weeks to get, 1 of which was for FedEx flying them here. I'll try and attach pics from the phone after posting this. Since almost all the lights are made in China anyway I felt no pain keeping the profit from the middlemen myself.

    Pete

    PS. The electrician wiring the house put tons of similar pot lights to the ones the OP bought. They light up the rooms beautifully.

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    It seems the uploading laid some of the pics on their sides. Oh well the only one that irritates is the one of the ceiling. It will be painted white in the coming months.

    Pete

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    Hi Chris, Thanks for the post.
    I will be putting my new workshop together in about a months time and will need new lighting. to get an idea of how many of these lights I would need, can you tell me from your experience if I would need one, two (or how many?) to replace a two tube flouro.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by safari View Post
    Hi Chris, Thanks for the post.
    I will be putting my new workshop together in about a months time and will need new lighting. to get an idea of how many of these lights I would need, can you tell me from your experience if I would need one, two (or how many?) to replace a two tube flouro.
    If you are replacing fluoros and already have the fluoro lamp fittings, and you have a number of these to do, it may cheaper to buy LED replacements for fluoro tubes
    10X 25X GermanAEG LED T8 glass tube fluorescent Light 9W 18W 60 120cm COOL FROST | eBay

    Only downside is you have to purchase 10 tubes ($100 including deliver) but as individual tubes they work out really cheap.
    I have 13 of these permanently wired in my shed for general lighting controlled by 3 switches, and 6 that are above various benches and machines that can be switched on as required.

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    Let me say up front, I Bloody Hate Flouros no matter what tubes are in them so I am biased there. The advantage to these for me is they are compact, do not hang down and intrude into the headspace and they come pre-wired with a 3 pin plug. I took down two four foot double tube flouros with the fancy high output tubes in them and installed three of the LEDS which were daylight temperature and 900 lumens. The light is way better and and as the CFL's die in the workshop I will put more of these in. We replaced four halogen downlights in the house with four of these and it was a big mistake, I had to install a dimmer to turn them down as sunglasses were the order of the day. It adds up that I replaced 4 x 38 watt tubes with 3 x 10 watt LEDS not that I will save that much money to pay for them but for someone who has limited power to a workshop it will be a big plus.
    CHRIS

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    I agree conventional fluoros have many problems and the space issue can be significant, but comparing the Osram LED with old school fluoros is like comparing the latest model vehicles with 1960's models.

    New fluoro fittings are also not that cheap so would usually only recommend LED fluoro tube replacements if you already have fluoro fittings installed as then they are a quick, cheap and easy install - but even then there may still be problems - see below.

    The AEG LED tubes output a claimed 1854 lumens, compared to the 10.5W OSRAM's 800 lumens (Bunnings figure) and because LED tube light is distributed over a greater area than a spot, the lighting is more even which makes them great for general lighting.

    Interestingly the non dimmable 10.5W OSRAM outputs claims an output of 1050W see OSRAM 10.5W LED Star Classic A 100 LED Light review.
    The non-dimmable version is rated by that site as a very hot LED lamp "
    within a few degrees of being the hottest LED tested"
    so presumably they had to detune it to enable the dimmable driver to survive the heat.

    After replacing the 13 fluoros in my shed I had 7 left over and decided to use these to improve the lighting over a couple of machines and benches. I found some cheap twin fluoro fittings on gum tree for $10 each and was able to put an additional 3600 lumens above each of 2 machines and a bench. Downlights/spots may have been better but I could not have done these for anything less than $28 per bench. I do have two 9W LED spots in my shed, one is built into my TS guard and one in a dedicated spotlight above the WW bench.

    4 x 38 watt tubes with 3 x 10 watt LEDS not that I will save that much money to pay for them but for someone who has limited power to a workshop it will be a big plus
    The wattage ratings on fluoro lighting are usually just for the power consumed by the tube but there are other things in there.

    An added factor is the age of fluoro fittings. I have tested a number of old fluoro fittings and found they consume significant more than their rated wattage with those my shed consuming an average power draw of 65 W per tube!

    As well as very inefficient old tubes that chew more power, the ballasts were clearly making a lot of heat. When the ballasts get hot enough they usually go open circuit but can sometimes start a fire. so when installing LED tubes its best to take the ballast out. This is not a task for the average DIY. Plug and play devices win hands down in this regard.

    Anyway my setup went from 13 x 65W (845W) to a measured 235 W for the 13 LED tubes and considering they are on for long periods day and night can be a considerable saving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safari View Post
    Hi Chris, Thanks for the post.
    I will be putting my new workshop together in about a months time and will need new lighting. to get an idea of how many of these lights I would need, can you tell me from your experience if I would need one, two (or how many?) to replace a two tube flouro.

    Thanks
    If you have existing fittings, then BobL's suggestion is probably the best, and about the cheapest way to do it.

    If though you are after new fittings, then these could be a good consideration.

    LED Industrial Reflector Battens | JinHang

    As I built a new shed some years ago, I was sort of skint, and made do with temporary lighting running off one of the three GPO's I had in the shed. Then the time came and LED tubes were/are now at an affordable stage and to be honest, you just wouldn't put anything else in after seeing what they do to any place that either has existing fluorescent fittings.

    They are in Moorabbin and essentially manufacture their own stuff in their own factory in China, ostensibly cutting out the middleman. Whether or not that is true and/or an accurate picture, their products are quite cheap. That said, other re-sellers are starting to get onto the cheaper light fitting bandwagon as their sales drop off.

    Bare battens for a 120cm double are $44.62 inc. GST. These units come with two tubes and you have a choice of 3000K, 5000K or 6000K. No price difference.

    Industrial fittings, which are essentially bare battens, but with a light metal shroud, are $47.78 Inc. GST. Same deal with these units in tha tthey come complete with two tubes in your choice of LED Kelvin ratings.

    I went for 6000K LED tubes, they are brilliant, literally and figuratively. I have two units over the bench, three units running over the width of the ceiling in the main work area, which includes my Triton saw, SCMS in it's own moveable dust cabinet, pedestal drill press and bench grinder on it's own pedestal. Three units over the wood lathe, just transformed that area, with the final two units behind the lathe in an area that has a general working area as well as the router.

    10 doubles, which consume approximately 356W when on, according to the clamp meter reading we did.

    The attached picture shows the almost shadowless lighting when all are switched on, which is what I wished for. My eyes are really starting to fall apart and going from my father and grandfather, one needs as much light as one can get.

    All are switched on in banks of lights, with hanging switches. The power points are also hanging from the ceiling. It really is a slice of heaven, almost cannot believe how I ended up with this, only took about 30 years from the first time I was going to do the shed.

    Lights_Shed_2016.jpg

    The Triton saw bench is not there in this picture.

    Mick.

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    I have gone the LED path too, but have gone for panel lights - LED PANEL | led panels and troffers
    They look like a sky-light and the light spread is great. (Apologies for the dark pic.. camera doesn't like light )

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    I have these offset for the machines they are over.

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    I bought something similar to this as I wanted something adjustable, stand comes in handy when cutting long lengths of timber.

    https://www.bunnings.com.au/arlec-40...ripod_p7071862

    I'm pretty impressed by the specs of the Osram downlight, they used to be a bit behind in efficiency. Like most they don't state if they are theoretical or actual output though.

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    I buy only the LED lights which note that they contain CREE LED devices. Those are American-made.

    I notice that most of your sheds have the light fixtures jacked all the way up to the roof. Why is that?
    Drop them to half that and physics will show that you get 4X the light intensity at the machine. Seems useful to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robson Valley View Post
    I buy only the LED lights which note that they contain CREE LED devices. Those are American-made.
    CREE is a US registered trade brand/company.

    From Wikipedia.
    Cree owns 204 acres in Durham, NC, where it has its headquarters, primary research & development operations, and a manufacturing facility.
    Its products are produced in Durham;
    Racine, WI; Florence, Italy; and Huizhou, Guangdong Province, China.
    The CREE spotlights I have in my shed are both made in China.

    I notice that most of your sheds have the light fixtures jacked all the way up to the roof. Why is that?
    The reason is space. If you want to be able to move and turn large pieces of stock the last thing you want is things in the way. the other reason is storage. I have so little space in my shed that I need to use some of that ceiling space for storage. In some cases this also blocks lighting and I do have a couple of fittings hanging at the same level of storage,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robson Valley View Post
    I buy only the LED lights which note that they contain CREE LED devices. Those are American-made.

    I notice that most of your sheds have the light fixtures jacked all the way up to the roof. Why is that?
    Drop them to half that and physics will show that you get 4X the light intensity at the machine. Seems useful to me.
    We tend to have low ceilings (2.4 Metres) compared to other countries. I detest hanging flouros as they get in the way and replacing starters, ballasts etc got really old really fast though the LED conversions do away with that. I once had a flouro literally catch on fire for some reason and I can do without that sort of excitement.
    CHRIS

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