6th Jan 2021, 10:27 AM #1
A saga of moving new equipment... with a hand trolley.
This probably isn't the best place for this thread, but I'll let it stand as it is about moving heavy equipment into & around in the shed.
So... this year Santa blessed me with a Ledacraft 10" thicknesser/jointer combo. On ordering, it was noted that for delivery a "tailgate lift" was required and an extra coupla hundred bucks was added to the delivery fee for this. Fair enough, when it comes to manhandling 200kg around it's best to keep things safe.
'Twas delivered late yesterday arvo in a bloody Sprinter van!
The bloke pulled up out front of the house and was about to just shove the crate out the side onto the ground when we caught him. We pulled him up and finally convinced him to unload it to the porch slab in front of the house. ("I'll get bogged! I'll get bogged!" Not a chance, bucko, but he's obviously a city boy who's never seen a dirt driveway before. )
Not the ideal place for it, but at least it's a foot less drop from the van for my new toy.
Even so he tipped the crate over on it's side to unload, then just shoved it over onto it's feet. I think it's safe to say I'm not impressed by any part of the delivery service; the crate was badly damaged but a quick unpack to check the contents showed we were OK. That's more a testament to Ledacrafts packing than any effort by the driver.
So, that's the background that sets the stage for my dilemma.
Basically, the machine is around 200kg gross in the crate (170kg net) and although I've already removed any loose contents (fences, etc) I'd say they only add up to about 5kg as they're alloy.
I have a Bunnies trolley rated to 250kg, which is far from ideal for moving something this size - 1.2m(L)x0.5m(W)x1.0m(H) but it's all I have to hand.
Further, I suspect that rating is slightly exaggerated and 150-200kg is more realistic as the tyres are rated at 125kg each and they're only a plastic compound which is already splitting/perishing after simply sitting in the shed for 12 months.
Last night I ducked into Bunnies and bought another pair of wheels rated at 175kg each, so now they shouldn't be a factor; here's to hoping the axle bears up! Although... in hindsight maybe I should've bought another, higher rated trolley instead.
I'll have to move the beast about 25m down a slope on a dirt driveway (after negotiating it off the conc porch slab somehow) which is heavily runnelled after a couple of recent storms. Given the size of things, it's going to be an awkward job at best.
I really, really do not want to get part way down only for the wheels to fall off my trolley, leaving me stranded.
So... the plan for the day is to spend an hour or two shovelling gravel from where it washed down in front of the shed back up into the runnels it came from. To level the playing field a bit, as it were.
Another half hour or so de-nailing the crate panels and re-crating the machine to prevent damage while trolleying. (Is that a word? I guess it is now...)
Then to move a few slabs from the shed (25m away) to the front of the porch so I can make a ramp to get it off the porch. I've had a few nasty experiences with short, steep(ish) ramps, heavy equipment and trolleys that I'm not eager to repeat.
Move the beast and, finally, lug the slabs back down to the shed.
Keep your fingers crossed for me!
(And to think that ALL of this could've been avoided if the damned courier company hadn't cheaped out and had used the vehicle I'd paid for to deliver it! )
- Andy Mc
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6th Jan 2021, 10:47 AM #2SENIOR MEMBER
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Are your wheels wide enough not to dig into the dirt?
I bought a cheap 220v winch from Bunnings (the kind that usually gets bolted to the ceiling to lift stuff) and bolted it to my garage floor to haul several hundred kilos of K3 up my 18% drive. It was an absolute breeze compared to manhandling the A3 previously.
I suspect a similar thing and your machine resting on a smooth, flat wooden base would make easy work of it. Could even be a plan B if you lose the wheels half way!
6th Jan 2021, 11:07 AM #3.
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All sounds very familiar.
6th Jan 2021, 11:09 AM #4SENIOR MEMBER
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Wow, just wow.
Hope your got photo's as i'd be asking for the tail gate drop fee back at the very least, typically around $100 over the top of normal delivery, I know as i normally get the heavy stuff delivered to a business with a fork lift and the son and I worry it into my garage
going down a slope, any slope let alone a dirt one i'd being wanting a tied off safety rope setup on the uphill side with assistance restraining the load and as Bernmc suggested a sled may be easier on the dirt than wheels.
Good luck with the move.
6th Jan 2021, 11:12 AM #5
6th Jan 2021, 11:13 AM #6SENIOR MEMBER
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I had a similar issue a couple of years ago with a Woodman 12" combo. At least the long uphill driveway was concrete (although pebbled) and I had a concrete ramp up to the workshop. But getting it over the lip of the sliding glass doors and through the door way was interesting with only me and hubby. A friend informed me to be extra careful as it can be top heavy and when he bought his a little bit earlier it toppled over completely when moving it.
I thought this little project was going to be a sure way to justify ending a marriage as it started to lean a couple of times with me frantically grabbing and supporting it!
6th Jan 2021, 11:18 AM #7
Andy, please say that Ann has got pics of this derring do?Pat
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6th Jan 2021, 12:01 PM #8
Thanks for the best wishes, folks!
The drive is levelled as well as I'm going to attempt with this mornings weather... it's not overly hot but it's damned muggy after recent storms. Right now I'm cooling off with a cuppa before I start re-crating.
As I said, we caught the bloke about to push it out the side of his Sprinter and we had to 'convince' him to unload it onto the slab. While he was pulling up, I mosied into the shed to grab my little jimmy-bar.
By the time I got back he'd already shoved it out of the van onto it's side on the slab. This was a matter of... maybe 3 minutes to walk the 25m to the shed and back?
So he didn't even wait for assistance.
It only took another minute to crack the crate open to check for damage - which appeared likely, given the damage to the crate - by which time he was already heading off in a cloud of dust up the driveway. No obvious damage found, fortunately. The proof will have to wait until I can power it up.
I suspect that if we'd ducked inside to grab a phone he would've spontaneously disappeared into a cloud of uncertainty.
- Andy Mc
6th Jan 2021, 12:16 PM #9
One way around the trolley issue not to use it but to skid on rollers, which are just pipes. Scaffolding pipes are an ideal size. About six pipes a metre or so long are ideal but you can manage with three. A guy I know moved his complete workshop of commercial machines using this method. The machines included a one tonne thicknesser and it was from grass outside the shed onto a dirt floor. He told me he did it by himself.
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6th Jan 2021, 02:23 PM #10
Andy......just out of curiosity was the machine tied down in the Sprinter? If it wasn't I would bet that "quality" deliveries are a long forgotten ideal.
I have seen some cowboys rip tear and bust and using too few or wrong sized tie downs while others (which I would prefer) take a little time to untie and rollup their gear before unloading and staying with you until you have the machine safe to where it will liveJust do it!
Kind regards Rod
6th Jan 2021, 04:41 PM #11
Surely you jest? I'm guessing that any mention of "duty of care" to this bloke would result in a puzzled look.
Anyways... job done! Well... almost. Still need to move the slabs back into the shed, but with the machine safely in the shed I decided it's beer o'cxlock.
For those who are curious, here's the few snaps we did take. Firstly, the door-stopper. You can see that the bottom right pallet rail is knocked askew from the "drop off." The rest of the crate is alright because that's how I put it back together.
Next, a general view of the driveway down to the shed to give you some idea of the slope. After levelling it wasn't too bad, but you may notice the muddy patch at the bottom in front of the roller door. That had me concerned, but I was hoping that enough momentum (which this had in spades) would get me through. It did... well enough that while I'd originally planned to just stop inside the roller door I ended up well into the shed before I could stop.
Lastly, it's final - for now - resting place.
I was right to be concerned about the trolley, the centre of gravity of the machine is somewhere to the right of box centre, The RH trolley tyre flattened down almost the rim at first hoist, even after checking pressure. A slight readjust - and SWMBO assisting by lifting the RH side of the crate - made it managable. Barely.
All in all a successful move. But not recommended except as a last resort.
- Andy Mc
6th Jan 2021, 07:44 PM #12
I bet the tie down (tie on) strap made a world of difference as well.
Well done. I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of your new machine.
6th Jan 2021, 09:29 PM #13GOLD MEMBER
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It shouldn’t have even come out of the van. I would have sent it back.
6th Jan 2021, 10:26 PM #14
why didnt you add the wheels ONTO the crate?
7th Jan 2021, 03:26 PM #15GOLD MEMBER
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A scythe!!! I'm tired and my back aches just just looking at a picture of it.
Well done on the move.My YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/2_KPRN6I9SE
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