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2nd January 2013, 03:45 PM #1
Shed design or OMG a new shed from scratch!
Yup, it may come true our family is looking at buying a small property a bit out of Canberra and part of the deal (she has horses, I have no need of acreage ) Is that I get a shed the equivalent or better than the one I have. My interests are woodworking (main) and silversmithing / leadlighting / craft (lesser)
I need your help to get the basic design and building elements right, the ones that are so much easier when you are starting and hard to retrofit.
There is an existing big-ish concrete pad - I guess it is 8m wide x 12m long. The pad long axis runs east-west.
I am intending to order the shed with roof insulation and a (appropriate for passive solar) cantilevered awning along the north wall. Guttering will drain into a couple of (existing) tanks. I am also thinking about having the shed 10m long and adding a Garageaport (roof extension) so I can load/unload under shelter / work outside if the job calls for it
Questions I have are:
- What basic design - Gable shed, Barn?
- What height should the eave height be? 3m?
- What doors should I have and where should they be located?
- Ditto even more so for windows?
- How do I insulate and line the walls - what should I use as lining?
- Should I install a ceiling?
- As I am starting from scratch would it make sense to install LED lighting rather than the normal fluoros?
- What power should I include (how many circuits and what amperage)?
- If I stick the dusty outside will I freeze in winter as the warm shed air is vented outside?
- Names of quality shed suppliers?
This is the most important question - What else have I forgotten to think about?
I only have this one chance to do it right first time, so I want to have a red hot go and would love to have your experience and input.
Regards and thanks
CharlesLast edited by spbookie; 2nd January 2013 at 03:49 PM. Reason: better details
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2nd January 2013, 06:40 PM #2
Which direction out of Canberra are you looking? I'm in Bungendore. The type of woodworking you're going to do will determine how big you need in the shed but I wouldn't want to go under 6x9 if you're doing any cabinet making. Budget will also influence where you go but insulation is a must and lining them makes a huge difference too. I lined mine for free with MDF cover sheets from a furniture maker in Hume.
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2nd January 2013, 07:35 PM #3
Arrghh! Lucky duck Charles. I DREAM about sheds where one of the dimensions is double digit metres!
This is a current thread on LED lighting panels.
This maybe of some help in your planning.
If you want to go down the Excel path for planning I can email you my original as a starter kit.
HTH, and enjoy the process!
Brett
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3rd January 2013, 12:06 PM #4
I would be interested Brett and thanks for the links. I will PM you my email address to stop spam.
Appreciate your comments against my questions.
Regards
Charles
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3rd January 2013, 12:11 PM #5
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3rd January 2013, 04:29 PM #6
I can't remember the makers name but they were on Sheppard St over the road from the service station. You would probably find that anyone who does kitchen fit outs would also be happy to get rid of their cover sheets. It only took a few phone calls and I even got a tour of the factory floor. They had a huge cnc cutter which (from memory) could take a 2400x1200 sheet
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4th January 2013, 12:20 PM #7
Ah I think that was Douglas Joinery. They might have closed but it sounds like I could try all the joineries and one might have sheets to dump.
Charles
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4th January 2013, 12:23 PM #8
Best height of a shed?
Straw poll time: What would you consider the best height (to the eaves or ceiling ) of a shed. I am thinking 3 meters as that would give clearance to flip a 2.4 board or sheet. Any other thoughts?
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4th January 2013, 02:52 PM #9
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4th January 2013, 03:01 PM #10
My shed is 2400 at the low points going up in the gable. The good thing about 2400 sides is a 1200x2400 sheet of MDF fits nicely. If you go higher then you're going to have to think about the lining layout.
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4th January 2013, 09:44 PM #11Senior Member
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For mine the more air over your head on a hot day in a shed the better. I had a 7' shed years ago and you could feel the radiant heat. I now have a 10' shed and it is much better.
Enjoy the new shed!
Regards
Ian
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4th January 2013, 10:34 PM #12Intermediate Member
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Things to consider
I finished my new shed recently and whilst not as big as some its still 10 x 5 metres. I needed to ensure I had storage for the future so went with a 22 degree roof pitch instead of a common 12 or 15 degrees. Eave height was 2.4 metres to make lining it easier,(see above thread) and built a mezzanine floor the length of the shed and half across the width. This gave me an ideal place for storage. I included insulation in the roof and was out testing it today. Melbourne temp was 40 degrees. Couldn't tell how effective it was.. too hot today. Plenty of power outlets and I considered in floor G.P.O but decided against it in the end. See my blog here.
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7th January 2013, 08:16 AM #13
Shed Height
Ok looks like I will go for 3m to the eaves. I'd like to go more say 4 meters and build a mezzanine inside but I am sure my budget wont stretch that far.
Thanks for all the good info
Another question is a roller door width of 2.4m wide enough as a lot of manufacturers are pushing 2.7m?
Charles
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7th January 2013, 11:07 AM #14
I just checked mine, my workshop is 8m length and 6m wide and has 2 roller doors at the front and 1 at the rear.
The rear one is 2.7m wide and has been a real treat when either taking large objects in and out or just cleaning the garage. Just out side the rear roller door i have a large paved area so i take the thicknesser out there when removing stock off large pieces.
2.7m of roller door is very handy
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I'd go high or higher to allow for ducting, storage, and as others have said helps keep it cool.
- What doors should I have and where should they be located?
I would go for at least a 1.2m wide door or a roller door to make it easy to get gear in and out of the shed
- Ditto even more so for windows?
Skylights that you can shade are a way of letting in light without losing wall space.
- How do I insulate and line the walls - what should I use as lining?.
- Should I install a ceiling?
- As I am starting from scratch would it make sense to install LED lighting rather than the normal fluoros?
- What power should I include (how many circuits and what amperage)?
The number of 15 A circuits you need will depend on what power your machinery draws.
If you are undecided I would arrange for at least 3 separate 15 A circuits.
I have DC plus TS, and my compressor on 3 separate 15 A circuits.
I run my 15A welder on the same circuit at the DC as I do not use my DC when my welder is running (sticky welding fumes will clog up a DC filter) and run a separate 1HP extractor fan in my welding booth when I am welding and only use this extractor in short bursts when I am actually welding so I can do this in summer and the air con can sort of keep up.
- If I stick the dusty outside will I freeze in winter as the warm shed air is vented outside?
Another alternative if your shed is big enough is to put the DC inside the shed inside a sealed cupboard but arrange to be able to vent it either inside or outside the the shed. On cold days arrange to vent inside to save your warm air.
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