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30th May 2010, 11:31 PM #16Eschew obfuscation
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Duncan,
I can give prices in three sections, because I wasn't sure what I'd need. Think all this is accurate, but I might have mixed and matched the sections a little. Should be pretty close. I ran the conduit down to the shed myself, they didn't need to do any digging and had good access to all areas including under the house. As always, sparky work is a bit of a shock, but these guys I'm happy to have return.
Upgrading the street feed from 3 phase 40A to 3 phase 100A (16mm2) including a new earth spike was ~$1500.
Running 3 phase 40A cable about 40m to the shed and installing a 12 switch submain board in the shed with one circuit connected and a double power point was $1100.
The switchboard upgrade to a 12 switch subboard with 9 switches in use (so space for another 3), fitting safety switches for all circuits and a new earth spike was $1000.
Jim,
Some of them have to bring in specially licensed contractors to do anything between the street and the switchboard. These guys could do it all, which is one reason I chose them. I think the L2 certified bit you see in the ads means this, but it's worth asking them if you need it done. Can't really see the point in paying one set of contractors just so they can sit around waiting for the guy they subcontracted the street power work to arrive.
bsr,
The shed's a Ranbuild, which I'm happy with apart from the door. It'll do, but the frame's too thin for the hinges to screw to it very well. Adding a bit of meat to the frame is on my ToDo list. I mean book. Check your shed sizes too - my understanding is that you can only have one shed, so you might want to confirm. Hornsby council may have different rules from yours though.
Figure on the slab to cost about $60-70/m2 for 100mm 25MPa concrete with F72 mesh. On perfectly flat ground that doesn't need preparation. Mine was 3.1 x 6.2m ranging from ground level on one long edge to about 600mm high on the other and 6 separate footings 400mm square that went down about 400mm below ground level. Quotes ranged from about $4k to about $7k, and the 4k guy was cutting his costs too far. About 6k was realistic. Oh, you want it pumped in too, it's much quicker and more uniform than barrowing it in and doesn't take so many people to get it in place before it goes off.
The shed itself was about $6k, depending on the options you choose (definitely go for the top range Protherm Reflecta-Guard insulation, it's brilliant stuff), and about $1500 to assemble it. Then you'll want sparks connected and some lights and probably some more concrete for a path going up to it, so the whole thing just gets more and more exciting.
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13th August 2010, 02:56 AM #17Senior Member
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I have a similar sized shed and yes, you need a bigger shed. Lighting; think about switched floros on chains over work stations/benches.Buy second hand enclosed ones that protect the tubes. Lining; 1200mm is too much, fill spaces with a top and bottom plate with studs on 450 centers. I chose a shed type with a frame which allowed me to fill the wall with batts for insulation. I also chose to use 3/4inch yellow tongue flooring ply for the wall lining. Even though you plan on not putting anything heavy on the wall, you will..
Electrical and where to run it was also a concern to me, I chose to run it in 32 mm conduite exposed along the top, on the face of the ply walls. No guessing where it is you can see it. I used round junction boxes with drop downs for power outlets and the option of putting a GPO(The round white things you plug a 3 pin plug into) on top of the junction box to plug in work station lights fitted with 3 pin plugs.
It is just not enough space to have fixed machines they all need to be on wheeles. I know its a pain but I do not have the space to do differently and I suspect you may find the same.
The final thing is the biggie DO NOT GRIND INSIDE THE SHED. angle grinder of bench grinder. One you do not want abrasive dust ruining your nice Lie Nielsen plane collection (Yes, that was a dream sequence) and two you do not want to burn down your shed and may be your house as well. I have a cement area that normally is home to the wheelie bins when grinding is needed I move a metal table frame I have, to the bin area and can clamp stuff to it for angle grinding or can place my grinder that is set up on a ply base on to it . I had one scare where I had been cutting on a table saw and had a layer of fine dust on the floor then did some linishing of metal. I went insde for a cuppa and came back to find a smouldering pile of saw dust. That was close enough for me.
Hope some of that might be of use.
Regards
Jeff
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17th August 2010, 02:22 PM #18Eschew obfuscation
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Dropping the conduit from the roof is a great idea. Wish I'd thought of that earlier. (
Good call re the grinding, thanks. Would have been excitting seeing that smouldering pile of sawdust! Be a pain moving the bench grinder outside, but not as much of a pain as building a new shed...
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17th September 2010, 12:10 AM #19Eschew obfuscation
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Ye gods, I started this thread in March, and it's still not finished.
Oh well, made some progress lately, but it's been slow.
Anyhoo, to make sense of the pics:
shedexterior is obviously the exterior plus one of the yard owners. Good looking, right? The dog's handsome too.
shedinteriorleft is, not coincidentally, the interior left wall of the shed. Clever, right? I've actually done a bit more than it shows, but don't seem to have taken any pics. Not so clever. The lining is done around the door now, so the whole left wall is done. I've moved the sheets of ply from the floor up against the wall between the middle pillar and the door too. The extra floor space really made it seem bigger, so naturally I had to add more stuff until it looked cramped again.
shedwiring shows the wiring now in place in the conduit along the right side and back walls, with loops coming out for the power points and taped to the wall for convenience until the lining goes up. The left wall is nicely obscured by boxes of junk. The black box under the hat is a thicknesser, under that is a bandsaw, and the drill press was beside the thicky under the window. The first two photos are a couple of months older than the last one.
The big improvement in usability of the shed was made by taking the green beam in the second picture that was destined for the carport and cutting it in half and calling it a workbench. A 5.8m beam in a 6.1m shed is pretty much always going to be in the way. The carport will be fine as is thanks.
At least part of the lost time is because I've been bringing stuff into the shed to use instead of doing without. Unpacked the new drill press, and brought the SCMS out of hiding. Amazing how much easier a drill press is to use than a portable.
Oh, the middle pic shows a roll of the insulation that was left over. Two rolls of this stuff did all the walls and the roof, so I have a full roll left over for later.
You may notice that the third pic doesn't have any wiring loops in the bay closest to the rolladoor. This is because I plan on having that wall covered in storage, so PPoints would be in the way. All I have to do is come up with an efficient, cost-effective way to fill that wall with shelves/drawers/cubbyholes.
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17th September 2010, 12:30 PM #20Member
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Looking good mate.
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17th September 2010, 02:08 PM #21GOLD MEMBER
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Not long now.
Bob
"If a man is after money, he's money mad; if he keeps it, he's a capitalist; if he spends it, he's a playboy; if he doesn't get it, he's a never-do-well; if he doesn't try to get it, he lacks ambition. If he gets it without working for it; he's a parasite; and if he accumulates it after a life time of hard work, people call him a fool who never got anything out of life."
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17th September 2010, 02:19 PM #22
Hi Beetle, your man cave looks great! I hope your not short, the fuse box in the second pic looks a bit high, too see what fuse has over loaded!
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17th September 2010, 06:01 PM #23
I started my shed in March too... 2006!! And still going...
Nice setup.
I put lining up in mine, but only went down to the bottom purlin. That way I can sweep all the way to the tin, and liquid spills don't get soaked up by the timber lining.
I'm with labrat on the smouldering. I attended a shed fire with our CFA brigade, and as we got closer, it turned out to be a mates place. He'd been welding in his big shed, and a few stray molten splatters went under the door of his little storage shed. 20 mins later while lunching inside, there were desperate knocks on his back door by neighbours yelling, "the shed's on fire!!" This guy works on Formula Holden race cars and lost a fair bit of gear; magnesium racing wheels, carbon fibre parts, etc.
Further down the track, you could extend the roof line out to the edge of your concrete giving you an undercover outside workspace for nice sunny days or for jobs like grinding.
Not the best photoshop, but you get the idea...
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17th September 2010, 11:35 PM #24Eschew obfuscation
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March '06! I feel much better!
The liquid spills bit is a good point. Hopefully won't be too much of an issue, because it's too late to change it now. It does look neat having it go to the floor, but extra purlins may have been useful too. Oh well, man cave v2 will have a whole bunch of improvements - all I need is a lottery win and I'm there!
The awning idea has occurred to us, but your pic shows what it could be like quite well. About the only thing that may be a problem for me with it is that I'd have a couple of posts in the way on the edge of the slab. See how it goes, if I'm desperate for more roof it may happen, but the unencumbered space is quite useful at the moment. Swinging lengths of timber around without worrying about whether it hits a post is nice.
The fire theme has found a firm place in the front of my mind. The broom comes out regularly, and I'll be making a grinding table so all the sparks stay outside. Last thing I want is to finally get this thing done (ish) and watch it burn down!
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18th September 2010, 12:11 AM #25Novice
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Hi
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet after quickly skimming all the posts but... Have you sealed the floor at all yet? It is a good idea to do that as early as possible otherwise you will end up with stains all over the place (like my shed). I was in a hurry to get my shed in order before I finished annual leave and had to go back to work. I bought some concrete sealer and it is still sitting in it's tub 5 years later because I didn't get around to doing it and just haven't been arsed moving all my stuff out now to get it done!
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18th September 2010, 08:41 AM #26Too many projects, so little time, even less money!Are you a registered member? Why not? click here to register. It's free and only takes 37 seconds! Doing work around the home? Wander over to our sister site, Renovate Forum, for all your renovation queries.
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18th September 2010, 08:53 AM #27Novice
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Yeah! Unfortunately for me it's a lot more than one thing!
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18th September 2010, 04:04 PM #28SENIOR MEMBER
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A leanto awning on the side to store materials under would be handy. It lets you keep the shed a bit free from clutter.
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18th September 2010, 04:26 PM #29Senior Member
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That shed is looking good
I'm just about to start mine - had to go through a DA process and flood assessment, so hopefully only a few weeks now until the slab goes down.
I've been looking at using Berger JetDry for sealing the floor - any experiences with this stuff?
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18th September 2010, 08:31 PM #30
Shed looks great.
Reality is no background music.
Cheers John
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