Thread: Simon's New Shed

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I have shop size envy already.

You should go into the Dust Extraction section of the forum and start reading from the top. https://www.woodworkforums.com/f200

I used 1,000 lumens per square meter for my shop as all of it is a working area. You can lower it in storage areas. Illuminance - Recommended Light Level I bought my lights directly from China at the time as they were too much here. They are LED battens, 4,000 lumens each and 6,000K. What you get is going to be based on how bright you like it, the colour of the light (warm or white) and how high off the floor they are mounted (more light when higher off the floor). I suggest you have multiple circuits so you can turn on the areas you are in or to make more than one intensity for the foot. I have two switches for half and full intensity.

Pete

Yup, I've read that thread several times. Not sure where I might fit an external DC - I had to push the shed pretty much up against the far trees to maximise space. Maybe on the right hand side. Currently have pretty basic bag DC, which certainly leaks lots. Once I have power sorted, may be able to get something bigger+better (3phase, or at least 15A).

One quick tip. If you can, have a layout plan for positioning the big machinery and workstations and lay conduit down (with fine wire or fishing line to use as a pull through) before pouring the slab. Its cheap enough to do now and you don't have to use it all, but having the piping in place is worthwhile. I regret not doing this.

Originally Posted by lyricnz

Woohooo !!!!

Oh happy days now Simon.

I know you said you will have conduit for comms.... imo run an absolute minimum of 4 CAT6 feeds from the house down/out to the shed. one for network and three security cam feeds, copper network cable is cheap and wifi is useless to get in and out of a metal shed .... i'm sure likely teaching egg sucking here

jealous Phil

Cheers

Originally Posted by Aussiephil

imo run an absolute minimum of 4 CAT6 feeds from the house down/out to the shed. one for network and three security cam feeds

Exactly this. And if you need more devices down there, you can install a switch, bond the 4 x CAT 6 together for a 4Gb/sec feed (!) and string more Ethernet from there. (This is what we're doing in our shed - 4 x CAT 6 incoming, and then planning on a switch install in the shed, which will be part home office).

Thanks guys. Yes, I'm very familiar with networking, bonding etc. Though I can't imagine much use for even 1Gb let alone 4Gb, when my internet is 30/5Mb and I don't have any storage in the house! Aren't IP cameras OK on switched networks? Am planning on keeping the camera network and the house network separate anyway.

Actually planning on moving my modem and primary router to the garage (since it's at the front of the property), and making garage/house/granny-flat all (wired) downstream from that. Am using Orbi mesh, which supports wired backhaul. Problem is site is long and narrow, with four buildings to connect, including two metal sheds. The outdoors AP works well enough for the garage/driveway, but brick internal walls appear to be wifi killers.

Currently: (== is wired, -- is wireless mesh backhaul)

street ==> (modem) house (Hub + 2 Satellite) ==> granny-flat (Satellite)
+----- garage (Outdoors Satellite)

Will be:

street ==> (modem) shed (Hub) ==> garage
+=====> house (1-2 Satellites) ==> granny-flat (Satellite)

Nice.

Neighbour is moving today 1acre with a 15mx9m shed stuck up the back corner almost new, power not 3ph tho. Ex-owner stroed his boat, caravan, 8t truck with room for workshop. There are also 4 space garage with double carport off the front plus a large garden shed.
I have shed envy.
Oh an man cave which he will have slat pool table in as parr of deal.

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Originally Posted by lyricnz

Thanks guys. Yes, I'm very familiar with networking, bonding etc. Though I can't imagine much use for even 1Gb let alone 4Gb, when my internet is 30/5Mb and I don't have any storage in the house! Aren't IP cameras OK on switched networks? Am planning on keeping the camera network and the house network separate anyway.

Actually planning on moving my modem and primary router to the garage (since it's at the front of the property), and making garage/house/granny-flat all (wired) downstream from that. Am using Orbi mesh, which supports wired backhaul. Problem is site is long and narrow, with four buildings to connect, including two metal sheds. The outdoors AP works well enough for the garage/driveway, but brick internal walls appear to be wifi killers.

Our house/block is also long/narrow, with a 100+ year old house with damp brick walls, and they are indeed a wifi killer.

In 2001 I wired the house with ethernet (7 points).

A few months later I replaced the modem with a cheap wireless modem located at the very front of the house.
Wireless worked for the front part of the house, but very poor reception for the middle and zero at the rear of the house and in shed. At that stage I blamed the cheap arsed wireless modem so we continued to often use the ethernet connections.

Eventually I worked out it was the brick walls so I replaced the original wireless modem with a Netcomm and added a second Netcomm wireless basestation (connected to the ethernet) to the the middle of the house. Now reception in the middle and rear of house was OK but still nothing inside shed - had to stand in the doorway to get 1 bar reception.

In 2017 I replaced the two old now Netcomms with 2 Ubiquitis and added a third Ubiquiti basestation to an ethernet port at back of the house.
Now excellent reception right through house but inside shed was very poor - now I blamed the shed metal cladding.

Last year I shifted the basestation at the back of the house to just inside a nearby window and installed a fourth Ubiquiti "wireless to wireless" base station inside the shed on THE underside of a shelf just above a window so it had LOS to the basestation at the back of the house - FINALLY good reception.

Originally Posted by lyricnz

Aren't IP cameras OK on switched networks? Am planning on keeping the camera network and the house network separate anyway.

They're fine - as a hint, use a PoE switch (assuming you're using that type of CCTV camera). And no need to segregate networks physically, VLANs will set you free!

Originally Posted by lyricnz

Actually planning on moving my modem and primary router to the garage (since it's at the front of the property), and making garage/house/granny-flat all (wired) downstream from that. Am using Orbi mesh, which supports wired backhaul. Problem is site is long and narrow, with four buildings to connect, including two metal sheds. The outdoors AP works well enough for the garage/driveway, but brick internal walls appear to be wifi killers.

Currently: (== is wired, -- is wireless mesh backhaul)

street ==> (modem) house (Hub + 2 Satellite) ==> granny-flat (Satellite)
+----- garage (Outdoors Satellite)

Will be:

street ==> (modem) shed (Hub) ==> garage
+=====> house (1-2 Satellites) ==> granny-flat (Satellite)

How is your Internet delivered? It sounds to me like you have FTTN or similar to be messing around with the order of connectivity and dealing with copper telephone lines? If not, and there is an NBN NTD in play, just be careful to not exceed recommended distances when relocating stuff (i.e. NTD 40m to street, 60m to router etc.)

As Bobl suggests, the Ubiquiti stuff is a game changer, and pretty affordable to deploy a mesh solution with

Yup, I'm on FTTN. My house is probably 130m from the street, so FTTC wouldn't have been an option even if it was in my location (both my immediate neighbours are much further set back than I).

My current setup sounds like my setup is very similar to BobL, except using Orbi. All ethernet backhaul, except for the wireless backhaul to the outdoor AP on the garage (which doesn't have ethernet ports anyway).

I heard today that NBN may not agree to install the NTD in a shed anyway, so might insist on repairing the trench to the house that my concreter wrecked.

The frame and sheeting arrived last week, and construction is due to start tomorrow!