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    Default Workshop Layout - help me realise the dream!

    Hi Folks,

    I've got a footprint of 10 x 5 meters, of which 10 m2 needs to be left for household storage. The shed is constructed and the slab goes in this week, so the roller door, PA door and windows are staying where they are. The rest is up for discussion, although I am fairly sold on keeping my workbench in a seperate room for reasons of temperature and dust control, having worked for a long time in this style of workshop where I undertake lessons.

    Usage will be predominantly for furniture making on a semi-professional basis. This is home-based shop from which I hope to start developing a line of work and taking commissions.

    DC is planned for a sealed space, venting to outside. I currently own the tablesaw, router & SCMS, the rest of the machinery on is my shopping list once the slab cures.

    FYI I have 3 phase.

    Please let me know what you think is right and wrong, or otherwise could be approached differently. There are no wrong answers!

    Many thanks in advance for taking the time to have a squizz.

    Neil.
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    Here it is prior to the windows. Low side is 2.4, high side around 3.4.


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    I would ensure that the solar inverter is at least IP67, with the first number being 6, not 5. Six means a completely dust proof enclosure; something you would more than likely need in that environment. One of my brothers found about this with his first inverter.

    Solar on the roof? What about battery(ies), certainly would ease your power bills as presumably you'll be using when generating. Three phase, would mean three batteries though.

    Have you thought of a combination jointer/planer thicknesser, they are a space saver?

    If you have a lathe in a corner, ensure you can get a knock out bar in at either end. You may also require lighting directly overhead of a lathe, this lessens your shadow on the work possibility.

    Mick.

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    My first thought is you should be building the shed in my yard, not yours.

    Other than that you've limited the lengths you can cut on the SCMS, might not be an issue for you but always something I've tried not to do.
    I cut it twice and it's still to short.

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    Can you move the dust extraction outside to a new, separate enclosure? It's a better result, and buys you more room.

    Are you planning on making everything mobile? It's worth thinking about Example - if everything was mobile, and you had some really long material to deal with, you can move your table saw and open the roller door to provide outfeed space (support the materials by another person or rollers).

    Have you considered incorporating the router table into the right side of your table saw? It too will save space if you wanted to do that.

    One suggestion I will make - draw all this out on your shed floor in chalk, and then walk around, imagining table height devices where your chalk lines are. You will soon find out where you haven't left enough space between devices for safe/comfortable movement!

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    Looks like you'll have fun in there.

    I would incorporate the router table into the table saw extension or outfield table in order to save space unless you use it a lot.

    Also depending on how you work and your budget you could consider one of the combination thicknesser/jointer machines to save space. Never mind if you prefer dedicated toys. If you did go that way the bandsaw unless it is large could sit between the two doors along the wall of the bench and hand tool room. The combination machine in front of the roller door.

    I'd still put as much as you can on wheels to adjust for the project size.

    Where are you storing your wood? Theoretically some could be stored above the windows on the high side.

    If the possible lathe is going to be for things bigger than pens, pepper mills and other small projects you'll want to have it as close as you can to the dust collector where every bit of extra cfm is welcomed. Same would apply if you are getting drum/dis/belt sanders.

    I won't take offence if you shoot all my ideas down. Everyone works differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJM16 View Post
    Other than that you've limited the lengths you can cut on the SCMS, might not be an issue for you but always something I've tried not to do.
    Yes agree totally but yet to find a better spot. I did hear a story once of someone who put a little trapdoor in the adjacent wall of the shed to allow for the occasional longer length

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimark View Post
    I would ensure that the solar inverter is at least IP67, with the first number being 6, not 5. Six means a completely dust proof enclosure; something you would more than likely need in that environment. One of my brothers found about this with his first inverter.

    Solar on the roof? What about battery(ies), certainly would ease your power bills as presumably you'll be using when generating. Three phase, would mean three batteries though.

    Have you thought of a combination jointer/planer thicknesser, they are a space saver?

    If you have a lathe in a corner, ensure you can get a knock out bar in at either end. You may also require lighting directly overhead of a lathe, this lessens your shadow on the work possibility.

    Mick.
    Thanks Mick, great tip on the inverter. Have put the question to the installer today. Pockets not deep enough for batteries presently, but watching the market keenly. In fact, our installer told me if we hold off, the next shift in batteries will be away from stand-alone household units, and instead we will all be using the battery in our electric vehicle while it sits in the garage overnight! True story.

    Have looked closely at combo jointer/planer units, but until I run out of room I will try running separately. Great comments on the lathe - that is the machine I have the least experience with.

    Thanks so much for taking the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Man View Post
    Can you move the dust extraction outside to a new, separate enclosure? It's a better result, and buys you more room.

    Are you planning on making everything mobile? It's worth thinking about Example - if everything was mobile, and you had some really long material to deal with, you can move your table saw and open the roller door to provide outfeed space (support the materials by another person or rollers).

    Have you considered incorporating the router table into the right side of your table saw? It too will save space if you wanted to do that.

    One suggestion I will make - draw all this out on your shed floor in chalk, and then walk around, imagining table height devices where your chalk lines are. You will soon find out where you haven't left enough space between devices for safe/comfortable movement!
    Thanks MM, great input. Dusty outside would help but I am thinking of the neighbours. I am thinking it could be placed out there at a later date when (not if!) more real estate indoors becomes a necessity.

    Agree totally on the move-abilty thing. TS is on a roller base and BS would need to be too.

    I have seen the router table/table saw combo idea and I may still go that way, but the table saw is a Sawstop with the 52" extension, meaning the fence can run the full width of the table, so it seemed to me the embedded router would end up getting in the way when trying to cut wider pieces. If I had to, in those situations I guess I could remove the router fence and duck the cutter, but that seems a hassle at the moment. Probably there are expensive ways to make that easier. Perhaps some more to think about there.

    Drawing it out is a great suggestion, thanks for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QC Inspector View Post
    Where are you storing your wood? Theoretically some could be stored above the windows on the high side.
    Thanks Pete. Yeah as you have suggested, timber racks about the windows is the plan (I had it labelled as such but it has disappeared from what I posted. Similarly, in my posted plan you will see a label saying "Sheet Good Storage". That should be pointing to the wall of the work bench room. Also thinking about storage on top of the divided internal rooms, although that is not my preference. It's definitely one of several weak spots with a space this size.

    And thanks for the comments on DC. That's a whole other post, right?

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    Do you see a need to be sawing wide panels while you have the router table set up for work, I would normally consider that you do your cutting to size etc first, and do your profile routing as a separate operation later. That's where having the router table integrated into the table saw extension works well, the operations are usually reasonably time separated so there is not a lot of interference or resetting of machinery involved. Plus you can make a simple add on to attach to the saw fence to be your router fence instead of buying a router fence, or you can justify having something like an Incra positioner and fence to serve both roles.

    With regard to overall layout, I prefer to have workbenches and machinery set up so that I can move them with a pallet jack when I want to. That makes for much more layout freedom, and also facilitates moving equipment around for cleaning up, vacuuming etc. I accept that you want a separate handtool room, but hand saws and chisels produce waste as well, and it tends to end up under benches etc, only emerging while you have a finish drying. Being able to jack up benches etc and move them to vac under them before doing finishing helps to keep the nibs out of your finish.

    I would think about your intended use of the SCMS, the length of raw stock being used, the finished lengths you will be aiming for, and the mitre and bevels that you may require and the saw's capability. You may find it useful to move the saw along the bench from the current central position to allow more room for raw stock, provided that you have room to accommodate the finished length on the bench. Not too much of an issue for square cut off's where you can turn the stock around , but can be an issue if you need to do compound cuts for picture framing or similar.
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    You have 3.6 metre head height at one end which is a huge advantage as a mezzanine floor could be built & used for household storage reducing the floor area required for items that can't be stored there or if you are lucky eliminating the need for the dedicated 10 square metre entirely. One thing you can be positive about is the plan will change despite all your best intentions as sheds have a mind of their own.
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    Hi Neil,

    Looks great, excited to see how it ends up.

    The first thing that jumped out at me was the lack of infeed/outfeed space/length for the thicknesser and infeed for the planer. I have about 2.4m in/out for my ckmbo and it's still caught me short a few times recently. Could be an issue if you make a table, door, bed frame, console etc.

    Cheers, Dom

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    I would be looking at having aa sharpening station in your handtool room. Much better to avoid being lazy to walk out a door and across the shop to sharpen a tool IMHO.

    cheers.....Roy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil T View Post
    Thanks MM, great input. Dusty outside would help but I am thinking of the neighbours.
    Make a separate enclosure for the Dusty. Build a frame box out of H2 framing material big enough to put it in with some space to spare, and whack a door on one wall. Line it with MDF, and put SoundScreen insulation (Bradford) in the cavities. Cover the outside with colourbond. Make a baffled "chimney" or other to allow air flow out (in will come from the shed of course). By the time you do this, the neighbours won't hear the dusty over the noise of your woodworking kit

    Lots and lots of ideas in the dust extraction section of the forums and Bill Pentz's site.

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    I'd put the lathe in the room marked Household storage.
    The bloody thing would be the messiest machine in the shed, it fires chips & shavings everywhere.
    Cliff.
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