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  1. #16
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    Bob, what you are saying is exactly what I was thinking when I made my earlier posts on this thread.

    I reiterate that we are a helpful lot on here but I do feel that responding to this is opening a huge can of worms.

    The OP said that "woodwork is not my specialty". Well, while there is certainly some "wood" involved in the answer, it is really a big ask on whether this is woodwork or engineering.

    If this is what is being taught in high school, I do wonder what was taught as a precursor. Was it being taught just to let the students know that there is a boundary not to cross until you have the knowledge?

    As Rwbuild said, this is second or third year apprenticeship stuff. Surely it is unreasonable to ask someone without those qualifications even attempt to discuss this with students at any level below this? It seems that everyone, including the students and the relief teacher are at least a year shy of the experience to answer the question.

    The OP should push this one back to his superiors before it wastes any more of his or his students' time

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    What an unfortunate welcome and introduction sundaycampers has been offered here.

    I commend the bloke for asking for help and persisting with his query following what I see as unwarranted accusations and character assassination. It's disappointing that his OP has now developed in to a hijacked thread aimed at the education system as a whole, with a hint of back peddling by some that launched the initial attack.

    Perhaps those that wish to tackle broader topics within the education system should start a new thread as opposed to shooting down someone that has made a valid attempt to seek assistance. To those with first hand experience, your insights are appreciated, but perhaps not here if they are not immediately relevant. It's interesting how a slow down of meaty topics on the forum seem to result in these types of misdirected outbursts.

    His OP may have been worded in an easily misinterpreted manner, but we all make the odd typo, or unintentionally phrase things in regrettable ways.

    I hope that when my kids reach high school, teachers like sundaycampers are in abundance when a resourcing gap needs to be filled. I'd rather they learn how to learn rather than be taught to throw in the towel when the challenge appears too great.

    Best of luck with your tenure sundaycampers, and hopefully your future experiences on the forum are a bit more pleasant.

    Craig.

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    Very well written CMB (Craig). I often lament new arrivals who are met with derision and suspicion. Some people really need to pull their pants up in this regard.
    -Scott

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    Coming from a qualified IA teacher (currently teaching) and Bachelor of Engineering (Civil), this assignment is ridiculous. Which Board of Studies course is it from? Cert II Construction would not require it and neither would Industrial Technology Timber.

    I would do as suggested by the other respondents above and tactfully have someone in authority at your school (Head Teacher, Principal) look at the assignment in the context of the students' coursework to date and the available theory / texts that have been prescribed / used. I think the students were right to question the difficulty / validity of the assignment.

    You have been put in a position that is unfair on both you and your students. I hope that you can resolve this situation to the satisfaction of all. Perhaps it could be an opportunity to bring in a local builder and/or make it a non-assessable, group project?

    Craig

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobL View Post
    If the OP is telling the truth what I find farcical about this is why unqualified teachers are put into these relief positions.
    We might as well send the garbos in to relieve the surgeons, or the surgeons out to build a couple of bridges, or any spare engineers to fill in for a couple of chefs.
    Typical educational authority mismanagement in my book.
    Hey, I can cook!!!

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    Default Thanks for the commentary

    After a long and stressful Sunday this OP believes that he has managed to work a suitable answer. I have managed to read and understand the relevant standards enough to produce a suitable answer. While I appreciate your conversation we didn't get along to a suitable answer or even a suggestion of an answer. The forum has thrown up some interesting points regarding the state of teaching and in the end I am only here through rather tragic circumstance and the lack of trained teachers. I wish you all well and hope you will get involved in my future postings.

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