Was hoping someone out there might be able to identify these 2 unusual old pistols.
This one is rough as guts, bits missing. The lever that goes over the flash pan (if that's the right name for it)still moves but the other bits are seized up. Length is about 450mm long, bore is about 17mm.

This one is much smaller, about 230mm long. Trigger and hammer work. It has a tapered bore which at the widest diameter at the muzzle is 19mm. Looks like you could use anything for a projectile eg, a handful of small stones etc.
Any comments or thoughts greatly appreciated.
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