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    Quote Originally Posted by pindimar View Post

    As for the Pionier Flatboot Company, it would be very interesting to know more about it and how it got to 1971.

    GregF
    Hi,

    There is not much to find on the Pionier-Faltboot-Werft, at least not on the Internet.
    The two most informative sites I have found are the one we have come across already.

    Here you can see a lot of detail pictures of a 1935 single U35 (this is the same site where I found the pics of the Klepper Blauwal we had in the P Blandford thread):
    Pionier U35 01

    This is from 2005 and amazinlgy enough the author reports that the boat was still navigable. And that was with the original skin!

    Here is the cockpit front cover
    http://www.pluennenkreuzer.de/02_Pio...s/IMG_3342.JPG

    On the left the one from the U35, on the right there is for comparison the corresponding piece from a post WW-II 450S (also on the same website).

    Now if you look at the picture you posted earlier from the O Speck exhibit, you can see that that piece looks more like the 450S (but not quite).

    So this would fit well with a post-1935 but before WW-II model.

    Otherwise concerning the company, I found only the info from the Faltbootseiten-site (the one that started this thread), where it says that the Pionier-faltboot Company was for a time considered to be the most innovative FB companies, especially concerning white water kayaks.

    Apart from that, not much.

    Cheers,

    Viktor

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJL38 View Post
    I don't know if this is related to either trip but a few years ago I saw this postcard on ebay and saved a copy to try and find more details but never found anything, does anyone know anything about it?
    Hi,

    I am so glad that Greg and I are not just having a private conversation here....

    I assume you don't have a better picture, pity.
    I am fairly certain the first word on the boat deck is LONDON, for the second I would like to guess SYDNEY.
    The first name of the signature is definitely Colin. I can't make out the family name (Sxxxixxxay ???).

    I tried Google with this info, but the nearest I came was a 2009 report on an Aussie who wanted to do the London-Sydney trip on a ... Sea-Doo! Times have well changed....

    So no, this is not one of the guys I was thinking of.

    However, we may have just found another heroic, and unfortunately unknown, long distance kayaker.

    This is getting to be a crowd,

    Cheers,

    Viktor

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    Default Oops!

    Faltboot rather than flatboot! Sorry about that...although ...makes sense!

    I know what you mean Viktor about the private conversation! The more contributions the merrier, of course.

    I guess what the 1971 finishing date for Pionier Faltboot! means though is 1971 is not so long ago (at least, it seems that way to me!) so there must be people around who have quite a lot of information about the company. Anyone???

    GregF

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    Hello All,

    Here is another presentation of the Oscar Speck story that has a couple more interesting facts included:

    Letters to our Friends

    and here is something about Oscar Speck's house at Killcare:

    http://www.bouddisociety.org.au/user...car-speck.html

    GregF

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    Quote Originally Posted by pindimar View Post
    Faltboot rather than flatboot! Sorry about that...although ...makes sense!

    I know what you mean Viktor about the private conversation! The more contributions the merrier, of course.

    I guess what the 1971 finishing date for Pionier Faltboot! means though is 1971 is not so long ago (at least, it seems that way to me!) so there must be people around who have quite a lot of information about the company. Anyone???

    GregF
    Hi,
    I had seen the "flat", but I thought it was a typo.

    Viktor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viktor View Post
    Hi,

    However, we may have just found another heroic, and unfortunately unknown, long distance kayaker.

    This is getting to be a crowd,

    Cheers,

    Viktor
    It's a bit weird to quote myself, but I just found another one, and this guy is "Live" so-to-speak.
    B.R.Faltbootabenteuer

    The website is not very informative and I could not figure out whether he plans to do this or is actually on the way at the moment.

    Viktor
    P.S. I sent him an email and asked. We'll see.

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    Default The House that Oscar built

    Had a chance to call by Killcare Heights today, so took a couple of photos from the gate of the house that Oscar Speck built in 1952 and then lived in until his death in the 1990s at the age of 88. It was not a great day for the long distance shots across the Bay, but you can still see that it's a pretty spectacular setting. Apparently he did quite a lot of landscaping and gardening at the time and the property was much more extensive in those days. The house (or houses, as, apparently he built the house next door for his life partner, Nancy Steele) are now relatively encroached upon by what looks suspiciously like suburbia, but in the fifties it must have been wonderful

    GregF

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    Default They all look the same!

    Sorry, meant to attach this one!

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    Default Retracing oscar specks journey

    Sandy Robson a paddler from Western Australia is currently retracing much of Oscar Specks journey. Her Blog is at Blog

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    Default canoes and kayaks

    The photograph of the double kayak certainly seems to be a PBK - you may wish to know that Percy is still going strong - now 98 years of age - his plans can be obtained in USA - there are certainly lots of his canoe designed and home built boats about in UK
    I live in Germany, the "home" of the folding kayak and would be glad to assist with any translation work. I have a Hammer single seater - 50 years old which I used in Greenland 2 years ago, on the west coast.
    I am vice chairman of the Historic Canoe and Kayak Association, and would be grateful for good shots of the Oskar Speck exhibition.
    As this is my first post with you, I look forward to lively discussion with you. BTW there is a book just out about the Australian Folboat company which manufactured folding kayaks for the Australian forces in WW2

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    TonyF, can you tell us any more about the book you mentioned? title? publisher? links?

    thanks
    Kelvin

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