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  1. #1
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    Default Upper wheel and tension spring crack noise

    Hello,

    I own a 18" bandsaw. The brand is leman. It's a french brand with like usual asian production. Here is a link to see what it looks like : Scie à ruban • 470 mm - LEMAN
    As you can see it's very similar to the rikon 18" you have.
    I'm posting here since it seems you are much more serious bandsaw users that we are.

    I have an issue with setting the tension. I often have a terrible noise while increasing or decreasing the tension. It's like a big crack noise. The first time i heard it, i thought that i had broken the blade.
    The noise is much more impressive when decreasing the tension. What happens is that i start decreasing and at one point, the tension is suddenly released and i could believe the upper wheel is falling. I have the impression it locked at one point and suddenly unlocked.
    On the other hand when i increase the tension, sometimes it's not smooth with kind of steps to reach the desired tension and the knob is hard to turn.
    This does not always happen. Sometimes increasing or decreasing tension is perfectly smooth.

    I tried to add some lubricant in the tension block where the two parts slides. It seems to be better but not perfect.

    Do you have any idea to start troubleshooting ?

    Regards from France.

    Benji

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    If it got a bit better when you greased the slides then it might be worth pulling them apart and looking for an obstruction. Otherwise clean, sand, re grease and re assemble.

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    Hello,

    Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try and see if it helps.
    Since it's my first bandsaw, I don't know if it's something usual or not. It's new. Do you think there is a potential problem I should notify the manufacturer of ?

    Benji

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    Certainly not usual, do as Len says and see how it goes.
    Regards Rumnut.

    SimplyWoodwork
    Qld. Australia.

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    Hello,

    I dismounted everything and put a coat of lithium grease. I didn't improved. Do you have any other ideas ?

    Regards

    Benji

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    When you say you are adjusting the tension, is that the blade tension release lever, or the tension screw adjuster?

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    Hello

    I use the screw

    Benji

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    Being newnit will still be under warantee, give the compeny you bought it from a call & get their advise.
    Regards Rumnut.

    SimplyWoodwork
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    Could it be that the spring is catching on somthing then banging into its seat when a certain amount of tension is reached ?

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    Hello,

    Quote Originally Posted by tdrumnut View Post
    Being newnit will still be under warantee, give the compeny you bought it from a call & get their advise.
    If think you're right and that's what i'll end up doing. But you know, when it's hard to describe a problem, it's not easy to convince the manufacturer he needs to do something. It'd rather like troubleshooting and see what part is causing trouble to be able to request the good part. I don't know if it's the same for you in australia but very often with those asian made machines, the supplier wants to go quick. He may even propose to replace the machine. I'd rather just have the good part replaced since the rest seems pretty ok


    Quote Originally Posted by Toymaker Len View Post
    Could it be that the spring is catching on somthing then banging into its seat when a certain amount of tension is reached ?
    I've tried looking at this and cannot see anything like this. But this gave me the opportunity to look very carefully at what was happening when the tension is being released. What i noticed is that when i hear and feel the sudden release i see the bottom part of the upper wheel coming in my direction as something promptly unlocked. I know that when the tension is adjusted the angle of the wheel is changed. What causes this and would make this exagerated on my saw ?

    Regards,

    Benji

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    Is it possible for you to take a few close up photos of the mechanism from different angles and post them for us to have a look at. I looked at the owners manual for the 18" Riken that you referred to, but the adjuster looks different to what I can see on your saw in the link.
    The angle of the top wheel should not change as you apply tension on the blade. Maybe something is missing in the adjuster or not fitted correctly.
    Did you have to assemble it, or was it complete when you got it?
    Dallas

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    Here's one I have had a look at and you can see how the slide casting catches on the back cover of the saw. The previous owner has drilled a bit of clearance to allow the slide to come down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Treecycle View Post
    Is it possible for you to take a few close up photos of the mechanism from different angles and post them for us to have a look at. I looked at the owners manual for the 18" Riken that you referred to, but the adjuster looks different to what I can see on your saw in the link.
    The angle of the top wheel should not change as you apply tension on the blade. Maybe something is missing in the adjuster or not fitted correctly.
    Did you have to assemble it, or was it complete when you got it?
    Hello,

    Here are the pics.




    It was already assembled when I received it.

    Benji

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    Even with those photos it is difficult to determine what the problem could be. Is it possible that the bottom of the large spring could be catching on something.
    When the noises happen, does the wheel jump, or do you just hear noises?

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    Hello,

    When i here the noise while detensioning, i see a kind of jump of the wheel toward me.
    I don't see the spring catching anything. There is friction between the flat block of metal under the spring and the u shaped piece supporting the whole system but i put many grease here.

    Regards.

    Benjamin.

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