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30th April 2014, 12:00 AM #1.
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Reversing a single phase motor
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I have a pulley driven extractor fan that was driven by a small 3Phase motor but I wanted to use it with a single phase (SP) GPO so I decided to swap the 3 phase motor out for a small SP motor from an old clothes dryer.
The SP motor turned out to have a number of problems and if I had stopped to carefully examine and test the motor I would have moved to another but I fixed each of the problems as they arose so once you invest some time into something the more you want to see it through to completion
The first problem was it did not seem to have sufficient cooling.
Unlike many extractor fans it will not be sitting in the air stream it generates so it needed some cooling.
Ss I made and added a fan.
Next the pressed galv metal pulley flange looked a bit flimsy so I replaced it with a beefier one
After doing all this, it turned out the wretched thing ran the wrong way. The way this is normally done is to reverse the connections for either the run coil OR the start coil but not both. To do either requires access to both of one of these coils but there were no accessible wiring connectors available outside the motor to do this.
Even when I opened up the motor and traced back along the connectors to find a junction, the one I needed to access turned out to be buried under two coils of wire squished together.
See next picture.
I prised the coils apart using a pair of small pliers with the jaws wrapped in cloth. the Green arrow in the picture shows the direction I had to pry that coil to get to the yellow wire buried underneath it.
The yellow wire was connected to two lacquered wires and I had to cut off one of these and then attached a new wire to the that I could take it outside the motor.
Here you can see the separated wires
Then silver brazed and new (tan coloured) wire, Squish everything back in place, stitch up the coils, cover in HT silicone and reassemble the motor.
Here is where the connections take place.
If it looks like a dogs breakfast - it is.
For anticlockwise direction, tan was originally connected to yellow inside the motor and yellow was connected to the brown (Active) on the AC mains cable
The blue wire near the green arrow was connected to the other blue (Neutral) wire from the supply.
Red is one end of the starter coil that is connected to neutral by the starter/centrifugal switch.
To reverse the motor simply entailed swapping the positions of the tan and blue wires (near the green arrow) coming out of the motor
Anyway it runs clockwise as required and I am finally happy with it.
Whew!
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Nice work as usual Bob.
I like the home made fan. I should replace the greased open bearings in the ASEA motor* and I have been hesitant because of the fear of damaging the pressed on plastic fan that must be removed to gain access to a couple of screws. The screws secure a plate that retains one of the bearings. A home made fan could prove to be a bacon saver.
* https://www.woodworkforums.com/showth...83#post1763383
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30th April 2014, 01:49 AM #3.
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Thanks Bob.
Those pressed plastic fans usually come off OK especially if a little hot air is applied.
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OK this is not really electronics but it's the rest of the story about this old clothes dryer motor so I thought I would just add it to this thread.
This is the pulley driven fume/extractor fan I wanted to put this motor on.
Originally it had a 1/4HP 3Phase motor on it which made it difficult for DIY use so this is why I wanted to replace it with a single phase motor.
The unit has a pair of of pulleys and a belt behind that perforated guard
Origin.jpg
Belwo you can see where the motor should mount and the hole in the belt/pulley guard where the motor shaft should poke through
It has a HD motor/belt tensioning system which I was keen on keeping but it suits this unit so I'm leaving it on there
Origin2.jpg
Here you can see how I have encased the motor in a sheet metal box with a grating so it can cool itself
The "unusual" shape of the motor housing is a result of cannibalising "stuff" from a project that was going nowhere.
Complete.jpgfan.jpg
The switch, cable gland and a terminal block (inside the housing) are the only things I specifically bought for this project.
Switch.jpg
Twirling toilet paper streamers demonstrating that it works.
whilringTP.jpg
It delivers 600+ CFM and it's it's not too loud (75 dB @ 1m).
I was going to sell it on Gumtree but my son came around on the weekend and it looks like he will be getting into some spray painting so he gets a nice little exhausting fan for his spray booth. He even has a beaut lean-to between the back of his shed and his fence where it and the compressor are going to sit.
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